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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

tablespoon wrote: post #198
amelius wrote: post #73

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Yeah, seeking the limits of the law. When a human does it, we typically call them an asshole. However, when a company does it, it's totally fine.

> Yeah, seeking the limits of the law. When a human does it, we typically call them an asshole. However, when a company does it, it's totally fine. The ideological campaign to turn pure greed into a moral virtue has been far more successful for businesses than for individuals. Probably because the millenniums of moral thought that condemn individual greed is a tough thing to displace, and human moral intuitions are l…

Big businesses, especially corporations, are artificial persons. This is completely unnatural and we as human have yet to figure out how to handle dealing with such "persons". I suspect that if they were to take actual human form, in much of the world they would be driven out of town and told never to return.

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Post by specialist »

nikanj wrote: post #239
deviation wrote: post #213

I could care less about the attitude or acumen of Jeff or Elon personally. From a business perspective though, it's absolutely bonkers to see Amazon wasting such an immense amount of resources in an attempt to slow the competition down, rather than speed their own up. It's like watching a child flip the monopoly board after realising they can't buy any more properties and remain on top.

When you and your friend are running from a dragon, you can survive by running faster - or tripping your friend

Market winners are libertarians. Everyone else are socialists.

One nice unintended side effect of Bezos' tantrums (demands for more cake and ice cream) is the implicit recognition that governments create markets, are the source of all wealth.

As a taxpayer, I'm overjoyed that we're bankrolling SpaceX (and everyone else). I want sat phones and vacations on Mars.

Then in 10 years, when Musk is a trillionaire, I'll be even happier when we claw back his windfall thru repeated radical cashectomies.

Once Musk is reduced back down to billionaire status, award him a Presidential Freedom Markets™ Medal. And maybe rename some buildings.

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Post by Armisael16 »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #227
vayeate wrote: post #171

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Elon's (public) motive about colonizing other planets has never been about rich people having fun. It's an existential necessity.

A necessity for who exactly?

The human species as a whole. No living human will see a self-sufficient Mars colony, so it’s rather difficult to say it’s just for the rich or whatever.

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Post by rambambram »

arthurcolle wrote: post #102
rambambram wrote: post #99

This is pretty dirty from SpaceX. They make this about Amazon by saying Kuiper ("Amazon"). Just because SpaceX calls them "Amazon" in their press release does not make this about Amazon. Or am I missing something and is this really an Amazon endeavor?

It's literally a fully-owned subsidiary of $AMZN. I'm not even a Musk fanboy but clearly this is 100% appropriate.

They could have just said Kuiper ("Kuiper") or Amazon ("Amazon"). The parentheses imply that they choose themselves how they call it from then on, which they are indeed free to do. But it's clear the thing officially is called Kuiper, but they choose to refer to it as Amazon. Which is understandable from a PR point of view, but I still think it's a little dirty. I mean, get that whole Amazon webshop 'down' also, while we're at it.

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Post by DougN7 »

shaklee3 wrote: post #195
admax88qqq wrote: post #133

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> But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 Road vehicles account for 5% of global CO2 emissions. That's not a tiny fraction IMO. It's not huge, but road transportation alone (not counting shipping) account for 5X as much CO2 aviation. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

Considering teslas are only sold in a few countries, and by far mostly in the USA, that number is likely more like 0.1%

Yes but you show any other individual doing more? Musk deserves some well earned credit here.

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Post by jason0597 »

88 wrote: post #236
wiz21c wrote: post #230

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Ergo being not nice is necessary to success. What a wonderful world.

Wealth ≠ success

Please. The only people who say that are making cushy salaries. Head on over to a place like /r/povertyfinance and tell the people there with a straight face that "Wealth ≠ success"

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Post by ntpl »

jason0597 wrote: post #257
88 wrote: post #236

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Wealth ≠ success

Please. The only people who say that are making cushy salaries. Head on over to a place like /r/povertyfinance and tell the people there with a straight face that "Wealth ≠ success"

While wealth (or rather, being "wealthy") is absolutely a success, it is not the only way to succeed nor is its definition "not being poor".

As such, I'd like to believe people at places like /r/povertyfinance would still consider themselves successful if they moved beyond their financial challenges through a ton of work even if they don't end up wealthy.

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Post by ZeikJT »

nix23 wrote: post #249
nikanj wrote: post #239

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When you and your friend are running from a dragon, you can survive by running faster - or tripping your friend

But who is the dragon then?

Not being first to market I guess?

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Post by aidenn0 »

verdverm wrote: post #232
aidenn0 wrote: post #168

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Quadratic growth, not exponential growth.

I think it's cubic because they sum, polynomial either way, without considering other factors like potential for increased density the further out

Right; I meant the number of satellites supportable at any given altitude, not the number of satellites supportable up to a given altitude.
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