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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by fock »

kumarvvr wrote: post #190
hutzlibu wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies" There are many things, that come to my mind with this statement, but I will just say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because yes, he did gave momentum to the conservative car makers to get them to move their asses. But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 -…

When you say tiny fraction, do you take into account the total carbon emissions for the life of the car? Direct emissions are in single digits, but what about decades of maintenance that requires oil changes, parts production, transmission changes, etc? An EV is much simpler than an ICE vehicle, has lesser metal and requires fewer moving parts. Metal production is highly carbon intensive. Not to mention recycling and…

a car which was specced for 80km/h and head-to-head collision with similar cars would save even more metal/ressources.

As well as leaving out stuff like: AC, car-grade entertainment computers (look at SV superfunds sites for how great chip production is), electrical seat-actuation, windows and ...

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by user-the-name »

wiz21c wrote: post #230
sumedh wrote: post #217

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Its not bonkers if you have a ruthless win at all costs strategy. You dont become the richest man in the world by being nice.

Ergo being not nice is necessary to success. What a wonderful world.

Success, and/or a guillotine.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by manquer »

olivierduval wrote: post #215
manquer wrote: post #116

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While there are some rudimentary frameworks for collaboration in space. It is still free for all. Sovereignty in space above 50 km is complex and not really well established, countries have differing claims like bogota declaration etc. Most countries launch satellites they don't necessarily tell each other. There is nothing stopping a French company from doing the same as spaceX. Infact OneWeb is owned by UK governme…

That's the point: it looks like space is the new "Far West"... Can't we learn from history and - for once - try to talk and agree on common rules and management together BEFORE doing something to a world shared resource ?

The resource needs to have real value before serious regulations effort is made . Potential value is never enough, for example there is no regulations for asteroid mining today, it would be waste of time to do it now, unless we could actually do it .

Satellites before starlink OneWeb were much lesser problem in terms of resources utilization .

Starlink growth is unprecedeted in part because there is little regulations stopping them , so the current model has its advantages

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Post by amelius »

smichel17 wrote: post #181
blamestross wrote: post #90

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It is almost like the primary value provided by a company is of being a social obfuscation layer to avoid moral responsibilities that would be obvious if it was replaced with an individual.

> social obfuscation layer A veil, if you will

distortion field

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by manquer »

olivierduval wrote: post #224
manquer wrote: post #112

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There are hundreds of real world applications that benefit from connectivity. For example Self driving would really benefit from connectivity for deeper learning models to get to level 5. Telemedicine , remote learning all have huge potential with connectivity all around the world. Education in developing countries which suffer from lack of infrastructure can (and already does) benefit from tech driven learning It is…

Good point! And it make me think... Why do WE (western people or US peaople) want global connectivity ? To bring some "civilization" all around the country (humanist reason) ? In that case, how will people in "poor" countries will be able to use it ? Self driving cars ??? Even for the few that can afford it (in the next 10 years), you'll obviously will need a decent road infrastructure... Telemedecine ? Super !!! But…

Telemedicine works in developing countries because it is easier for a specialist to consult remotely when there are so few of them and being in all locations is not feasible.

For primary care, it helps in preventive care more than cure. Earlier detection of issues can make handling them a lot easier.

You need telemedicine precisely because there are few doctors to go around, and care can be expensive.

There are already few well funded startups offering this along with medicine delivery in India for example, who are doing well. 4G and mobile penetration makes it possible, it doesn't cover everyone but it makes a difference to a large chunk of the population.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by olivierduval »

manquer wrote: post #244
olivierduval wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point: it looks like space is the new "Far West"... Can't we learn from history and - for once - try to talk and agree on common rules and management together BEFORE doing something to a world shared resource ?

The resource needs to have real value before serious regulations effort is made . Potential value is never enough, for example there is no regulations for asteroid mining today, it would be waste of time to do it now, unless we could actually do it . Satellites before starlink OneWeb were much lesser problem in terms of resources utilization . Starlink growth is unprecedeted in part because there is little regulation…

I agree: before now and the "cheap" satellites launch era, there were no need for regulation. But now the situation has changed so maybe it's time to slow down a bit and take the time to think ?

Moreover, there's more and more incidents in space, and it will only grow in the near future

In a way, maybe the "request for comments" should be lead by a worldwide org (ONU based) and not only a US one ?

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Post by csomar »

hutzlibu wrote: post #103
z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #21

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I'll take the eccentric billionaire actually tackling real issues and making actual headway. People here are too narrow minded and have quarter to quarter short term memory disorder, seeming to forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies, not simply greenwashed corporate nonsense that was churned out year after year without any was actual…

"forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies" There are many things, that come to my mind with this statement, but I will just say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because yes, he did gave momentum to the conservative car makers to get them to move their asses. But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 -…

> But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2

I mean, yeah, if every billionaire tackles a fraction, then we saved ourselves?

> I respect Musk for what he contributed. But I feel that glorifying him in this way, puts down all the other work in a unbalanced way.

The thing is, beyond this HN bubble, most people need a leader of some sort. He takes credit for everything (and also the blame if things go wrong). I'd have a more funnier persona than Elon, but his cyberpunk style sells me too.

> While exploiting the workforce, yeah, but Musk has not really a great record in that realm either.

No one and no country does.

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Post by nix23 »

nikanj wrote: post #239
deviation wrote: post #213

I could care less about the attitude or acumen of Jeff or Elon personally. From a business perspective though, it's absolutely bonkers to see Amazon wasting such an immense amount of resources in an attempt to slow the competition down, rather than speed their own up. It's like watching a child flip the monopoly board after realising they can't buy any more properties and remain on top.

When you and your friend are running from a dragon, you can survive by running faster - or tripping your friend

But who is the dragon then?

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Post by avaldes »

amusedcyclist wrote: post #194
echelon wrote: post #7

Even with his billions, Jeff Bezos is such a sore loser. This is just like him whining and moaning about losing JEDI to Microsoft. A contract literally written for Amazon to win . Elon Musk is trying to push the boundaries of what humans do, yet he's got this remarkable jealous space cowboy as a thorn in his side. A hundred problems and now this. I can't imagine the weight on his shoulders. What a sick joke. Amazon h…

That is way too generous to Elon, whos more of a celebrity for nerds than a real boundary pusher. Nothing hes done has truly moved the needle on our capabilities. I respect that he had the vision + charisma to actually make electric vehicles popular but nothing he's created comes to the all conquering giant that Amazon is. Amazon has also changed the lives of basically everyone in the developed world, which definitel…

> Amazon has also changed the lives of basically everyone in the developed world, which definitely cannot be said of

How so? This is way too generous to Amazon. Buying things online faster is not a life changing feat. Neither are home assistants like Echo or Alexa. Maybe I'm missing something.

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