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Post by filoleg »

DocTomoe wrote: post #162
sneak wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never understood the next-business-day-on-site warranty thing people seem so keen on. Apple products (top case stickers notwithstanding) are fungible: just buy another one from any Apple store in the universe and restore your backup, and let AppleCare deal with the busted one on their own schedule. There’s nothing special about your laptop except the data. The factory pumps out bazillions of them.

This strategy does not pass "the car test" - we would not accept Ford to tell us to "just buy another car and let insurance figure out how to reimburse you for the busted one".

The difference is that a lot of people on HN make at least a few macbooks a month in salary.

I doubt there are nearly as many people on HN making even one entry level Ford Focus a month in salary.

Along a similar line of reasoning, I totally understand if Coca-Cola bans soft drinks from Pepsi on campus. But I would be much less understanding of Ford banning non-Ford cars in their employee parking lots.

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Post by stalfosknight »

speed_spread wrote: post #257
stalfosknight wrote: post #187

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Apple’s policy is to support all hardware models for at least 5 years, 7 in some jurisdictions.

Considering that ten year old computers are still usable today, it means that the supported lifetime of Apple hardware is half of what it could be. And it's not just the computer itself but the whole ecosystem that gets the boot periodically. Last year I built a Linux-based 24 track digital studio on the cheap by buying Firewire soundcards that no longer worked on the latest Macs. Great hardware that otherwise still…

It’s more that Apple is striking a balance between a reasonable hardware support timeframe and moving their software platforms forward with at a certain velocity without excessive legacy baggage.

Waste is a legitimate concern and Apple has very convenient trade-in and recycling programs to address that.

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Post by CaptainZapp »

neogodless wrote: post #150
elric wrote: post #29

Gentle reminder that Lenovo jumped the shark quite a while ago. The whole Superfish debacle, the spyware, the crapware, the endless stream of shitty decisions. Year after year, the hardware gets worse. Customer support gets worse. The sad thing is that they're still better than everything else out there. Which says a lot about the laptop industry in general.

Anecdote: Over the past few years, I've owned an Asus laptop (thin/light), two Lenovo laptops, and an HP. Before that, a large Dell gaming laptop. Most recently, I had bought the HP Omen 15, but realizing that the screen used PWM below 100% brightness, I sold it and bought a Lenovo Legion 5. The previous Lenovo is a Y540. The Y540 is arguably "good but not great" build quality. If you squint, it looks kind of like th…

After adding dangerous spyware to their "consumer models" [1] Lenovo wound up on my eternal shitlist.

This list consists of companies that I will never, ever do business again. No matter what, period.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish#Lenovo_security_inci...

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Post by chillwaves »

adriancr wrote: post #160
sneak wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never understood the next-business-day-on-site warranty thing people seem so keen on. Apple products (top case stickers notwithstanding) are fungible: just buy another one from any Apple store in the universe and restore your backup, and let AppleCare deal with the busted one on their own schedule. There’s nothing special about your laptop except the data. The factory pumps out bazillions of them.

> I’ve never understood the next-business-day-on-site warranty thing people seem so keen on. > Apple products ... just buy another one I think you answered your own question. Buying a new laptop every time something is broken is expensive. Lenovo offers quite cheap extended warranty plus the next-day repair is great. (EU: I paid less then 50E for another year of warranty after the original 2 years)

Not to one up, but Dell is even better. You can extend the warranty after it has expired! You can re-up but they have a clause that you must wait 30 days before making an accidental damage claim (and it cannot have happened during the time without a warranty, but that is not enforceable).

I actually did this once and tried to submit a warranty support on day 1 of buying the new warranty and was turned down, but they called me about a week later saying they would waive the 30 days and ended up doing about $500 in repairs for $130 cost of the new warranty.

(the other condition is that you are only allowed one accidental repair event per year)

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Post by LAC-Tech »

elric wrote: post #29

Gentle reminder that Lenovo jumped the shark quite a while ago. The whole Superfish debacle, the spyware, the crapware, the endless stream of shitty decisions. Year after year, the hardware gets worse. Customer support gets worse. The sad thing is that they're still better than everything else out there. Which says a lot about the laptop industry in general.

I'll stick my neck out and say I'm a big fan of Asus.

I've got a zenbook 14, and it's tough of nails. Have dropped it so many times on hard surfaces and it's still trucking along.

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Post by tobr »

As a long-time Apple user, five years ago I would have laughed at this and said that that’s ridiculous.

Unfortunately, Apple has started to do almost exactly the same thing. For example, in my iPhone settings, one of the first items at the moment is a promotion for an offer to get 1 year Apple TV+ for free. I can only dismiss it by tapping on it. It’s not the first such “offer” for an Apple service that I’ve had to dismiss, and there’s no way to say that I don’t want ads in my settings app. What does it have to do with settings anyway?

In the past I’ve gotten promotions for Apple services as notifications as well.

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Post by eikenberry »

22c wrote: post #236
eikenberry wrote: post #212

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Until System76 moves beyond the branded Clevo's they will not be able to compete with Thinkpads. They've talked about an internally developed laptop before, but still no sign of it. The Framework laptops have the most potential right now IMO. I'm watching them to see how things go and will probably pick up a second gen of their laptops if they keep looking good.

>branded Clevo's I think it's a bit unfair to simply say they are "branded Clevo's". There was an interview about "right to repair" that I can't find right now where one of the founders of System76 addressed this and it sounds like they put a bit more effort into their hardware (and specifically, the accompanying middleware/firmware) than slapping some stickers on a Clevo. Edit: I still can't find the interview, whic…

The do put in a lot more effort to make them work well with Linux and be as open as possible but they can't really do much about the quality, which is my main issue with the Clevos.

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Post by jcuenod »

discordance wrote: post #263
10000truths wrote: post #53

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There are plenty of 1000$+ laptops you can purchase these days with good specs that compete with Apple’s lineup of MacBooks.

We have a 2012 Macbook Pro 13" that's been handed down from me, to wife to kids. Incredible to think this machine is near 10 years old, and even with how much abuse it's been through it is still going strong. Although I don't think Macs between 2014 - 2019 are as well built (have had a string of issues with those), I haven't had any other PC/Macbook last as long as that 2012 MBP. Some of my old Thinkpads still work,…

I'm still using my 2014 Lenovo (G50-70) as my daily driver. Upgraded RAM and SSHD (to an SSD) since then moving it from a 8GB / 512GB SSHD to 16GB / 512GB SSD. Both really worthwhile upgrades that have given this laptop legs I didn't expect it to have or need.

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Post by webmobdev »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #180
MrStonedOne wrote: post #146

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They made a design flaw (too short flex cable for monitor) on some laptops but only offered extended warranty fixes to the less expensive versions of that laptop. Apple is not the champion you think it is. Also they made their phone have random errors and slowness if you replaced the camera module with no error message so that you would blame the tech shop you got it repaired at for "breaking it".

At least within the eco system, Apple aren’t going to push ads onto your computer. The dichotomy isn’t Apple vs PC anymore. It’s walled garden vs freedom. If you’re going to choose a walled garden, Apple sure is the nicest. If you want to own your hardware you need to start supporting the smaller players.

They too bundle useless apps like News, Stock, etc. even if you don't want it or will ever use it on every Apple device.
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