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UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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The US wants to have moral authority with scummy authoritarian governments throughout the world and then acts like a scummy authoritarian government. Do you want thriving dictatorships? This is how you get thriving dictatorships.

The US was always the most advanced police state. All the "freedom" indoctrination just thinly covers up the fact that the rich pull the strings, own the politicians, start the forever wars, and neglect the needs of the common person.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Really. So if I copy the credit cards out of a database and put them on Pastebin, I've done nothing blameworthy, so long as I myself don't try to buy anything with them? Do you have an argument against enforcing criminal copyright laws that would be persuasive to someone who doesn't believe that?

As long as nobody uses the credit card information to steal money then fine, otherwise you’re obviously doing something illegal (facilitating theft). To be honest though even then I think we should at this point require some sort of 2FA, maybe if doing such things (putting credit card numbers online) wasn’t illegal better protections would have to be implemented…

Yes, the previous comment was clearly written and said the same thing. Hence my question.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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It is insane to me that someone can get up to 5 years or more for using one of the fundamental mechanisms of digital technology. If you put out a product on a medium whose design is fundamentally based on copying bits , I don't know how you can expect anything else to happen. Instead of accepting the reality of digital communications, the MPAA, RIAA, and the like lobby to have the law protect their outdated but favor…

It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. There is some critical mass of piracy that would in fact destroy the economics of the content production model. The industry has to work to deter that by periodically making examples of people. The timing is likely not coincidental either. E…

Never in my life have I heard of it deterring people. What deters them is platforms being taken down.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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He stole intellectual property and deserves to be prosecuted. With abundant streaming options these days and threat of being cut off from your ISP, few people pirate films anymore in the US. This is not normal, tolerable practice anymore. People’s livelihoods depend on these industries. A lot of the people here on hacker news make a living from producing intellectual property.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Record industry does not support content production at all. Less, artists. They are one of the biggest scams on the planet. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110707/03264014993/riaa-a... http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140425/07192227027/riaa-c... ... That industry should be killed with fire.

Easy way to kill distributors AND support creators with this small change: Have copyright return to creators after a period of time, ie 20 years. Billions of dollars will be spent fighting hints of this suggestion.

How does this work for cooperative works?

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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What business model would you suggest, that is capable of financing the TV and films we like to watch? I'm not aware of anything that works in practice, except for legally enforced copyright for at least a handful of years. And enforcing copyright means making torrenting etc. of infringing material illegal. (Of course, whether it should be 5 or 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 years is a separate matter.) And copying the music…

I'm not sure Netflix would agree that a low monthly subscription is not enough to fund TV and movie development, but regardless... Fairly recently I saw a very interesting proposal for this. The basic idea was to base it off of how artist commissions work, and combine that with crowdfunding. A creator can decide how much they need to make a thing - including both costs and how much profit they need to find it worth d…

This doesn't work out for the studio. How are they going to maintain a grip on the creators and consumers then?

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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> If you put out a product on a medium whose design is fundamentally based on copying bits, I don't know how you can expect anything else to happen. Exactly! If you exist in the universe where things can poke other things, don't get grumpy when you walk out the door and get stabbed. Should've sat on your ass at home.

No, it’s absolutely not the same thing. How can you compare something that harms no-one, to something that should clearly be illegal due to likelihood of death and maiming?

Because they are making a disingenuous and foolish argument.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. There is some critical mass of piracy that would in fact destroy the economics of the content production model. The industry has to work to deter that by periodically making examples of people. The timing is likely not coincidental either. E…

> It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. The idea behind a copyright is to have The People temporarily forfeit their innate right to communicate art, ideas, and stories in order to stimulate an industry of artists and scientists. If the business model depends on people not copyin…

Eh, people sit in jail for not paying bus fares lol

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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I'm not sure Netflix would agree that a low monthly subscription is not enough to fund TV and movie development, but regardless... Fairly recently I saw a very interesting proposal for this. The basic idea was to base it off of how artist commissions work, and combine that with crowdfunding. A creator can decide how much they need to make a thing - including both costs and how much profit they need to find it worth d…

This doesn't work out for the studio. How are they going to maintain a grip on the creators and consumers then?

They aren't.

Should society be facilitating that for them by allowing the law to punish people for sharing their work? Copyright serves society, not the other way around.

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