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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by awsthro00945 »

mataug wrote: post #49

Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

>Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors

That's not what Amazon claims. The actual Amazon leadership principal is: "Leaders start with the customer and work backwards. They work vigorously to earn and keep customer trust. Although leaders pay attention to competitors, they obsess over customers."

I also don't see how this is "focusing more on its competitors". Amazon had previously identified a plan for Kuiper to serve its customers, and SpaceX interfered with that. The tactics to do so are debatable, but I think it's easily arguable that this protest is in the interest of serving its customers.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by smegger001 »

OJFord wrote: post #144
chaostheory wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon entered Day 2 as while back. Its customer service has been a shadow of its former self for years now. It also took them years to resolve the problems stemming from commingling their inventory with 3rd parties.

From what I read on HN, its customer service must be very variable regionally. In the UK, I often knowingly pay more to buy from Amazon, because it continues to be my experience that if something goes wrong or isn't up to scratch, worst case they'll refund and send Hermes to collect it, no questions asked.

Also Audible, a subsidiary of Amazon, has very good customer service and a notoriously generous return policy. So it veries depending on business group as well as region.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by relativ575 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #119
z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take the eccentric billionaire actually tackling real issues and making actual headway. People here are too narrow minded and have quarter to quarter short term memory disorder, seeming to forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies, not simply greenwashed corporate nonsense that was churned out year after year without any was actual…

>not simply greenwashed corporate nonsense Isn't Musk the guy who crashed bitcoin after making a pile of money claiming it was dirty? How much pollution does just one of his mega-sized moon-mission rockets eject? Just for his personal (yes) entertainment. Rich sportsmen buy expensive cars. Super- rich businessmen play with rocket launches.

As the joke goes: "How to become millionaire in the airline industry? starting as billionaire". That speaks to the risky nature of airline business.

Rocket business is even riskier. The market is small and is absurdly difficult to enter. Musk almost got bankrupted when Spacex failed to reach orbit after three tries in 2008. He went all in.

Of the current crop of newly launched rocket companies -- Rocket Lab, Astra, Firefly, Relativity -- do you spot any super rich businessmen?

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by smegger001 »

polote wrote: post #79
mataug wrote: post #49

Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

You can't focus on your competitors when you don't have competitors. Has Amazon, the website, any competitors? They have an unique proposition, like Apple

Walmart, Ebay, Alibaba/AliExpress, Costco all jump to mind.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by thaumasiotes »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #138
travoc wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Walmart commingle goods from counterfeit sellers with that of reputable sellers for optimized delivery? Amazon does.

I don't know if Walmart has the same extent of 3rd party fulfillment that Amazon does, which seems to be the source & cause of the commingling issues. Walmart always seems to be either the supplier or it's 3rd party; don't know if this true though

> I don't know if Walmart has the same extent of 3rd party fulfillment that Amazon does, which seems to be the source & cause of the commingling issues.

This reads weirdly to me; I'd describe Amazon's situation as "they provide first-party fulfillment of 3rd-party sales.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by YooLi »

koboll wrote: post #109
mataug wrote: post #49

Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

Here is the actual ex parte filing: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Amazo... It is quite short and basically alleges SpaceX failed to fulfill various requirements when filing its amendment. Mainly, it alleges SpaceX submitted two different configuration options and the Commission's rules require them to settle on a single configuration option to submit. Are those legitimate allegations? I have…

Why does Amazon feel it’s their job to check compliance to the FCCs rules?

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by elif »

ajford wrote: post #35
bpodgursky wrote: post #14

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It's a bit of a stretch to say they haven't decided; one depends on Starship being approved for launch (and working) in the right timeframe, and the other just uses Falcon 9s. I don't think regulators should force companies to be conservative in unrelated technical development when it doesn't have any material impact on others.

But it does have material impact on others. The Starlink constellations in this proposal are large, and any future development by others will have to account for the orbits of these potential constellations. That's 30k new objects to plan for, and with two configurations at play, that means accounting for essentially 60k objects in motion, effectively doubling the work someone would have to do to plan their deploymen…

it's not doubling "someone's" work. it's avoidance software doing avoidance software.

and starlink is in low LEO

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by blibble »

polote wrote: post #79
mataug wrote: post #49

Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

You can't focus on your competitors when you don't have competitors. Has Amazon, the website, any competitors? They have an unique proposition, like Apple

aliexpress seems to be pretty much the same, except cheaper and you know you will be getting a knockoff (instead of maybe)

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by alasdair_ »

Seanambers wrote: post #52
ajford wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it does have material impact on others. The Starlink constellations in this proposal are large, and any future development by others will have to account for the orbits of these potential constellations. That's 30k new objects to plan for, and with two configurations at play, that means accounting for essentially 60k objects in motion, effectively doubling the work someone would have to do to plan their deploymen…

If there is limited space, why shouldn't it be first come first serve? Anyways, it is my impression that space is kinda big..

> If there is limited space, why shouldn't it be first come first serve?

Because it encourages squatting and low-value rent seeking from the first people to get there.

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