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Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

chongli wrote: post #16
rebelos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. There is some critical mass of piracy that would in fact destroy the economics of the content production model. The industry has to work to deter that by periodically making examples of people. The timing is likely not coincidental either. E…

That may be the case for Hollywood blockbuster movies but it’s not true for TV shows, YouTube videos, or Twitch streams. People would much rather pay Netflix a small monthly fee for unlimited access to all the TV shows they watch than hunt them down online. Nobody at all bothers to download YouTube videos or Twitch streams since the content is free anyway. Honestly I think even movies could work similarly if the cont…

If the content were free to use however you wanted, what would stop Netflix from serving Disney's content or vice versa?

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by new_guy »

chongli wrote: post #16
rebelos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. There is some critical mass of piracy that would in fact destroy the economics of the content production model. The industry has to work to deter that by periodically making examples of people. The timing is likely not coincidental either. E…

That may be the case for Hollywood blockbuster movies but it’s not true for TV shows, YouTube videos, or Twitch streams. People would much rather pay Netflix a small monthly fee for unlimited access to all the TV shows they watch than hunt them down online. Nobody at all bothers to download YouTube videos or Twitch streams since the content is free anyway. Honestly I think even movies could work similarly if the cont…

> People would much rather pay Netflix a small monthly fee for unlimited access to all the TV shows they watch than hunt them down online.

Except Netflix, Now TV and Amazon Prime etc DON'T HAVE any of the shows I actually want to watch. It's farcical.

I want to pay them, I want to watch shows legally but I can't, so I end up watching them on the 'illegal' sites that do have them.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by mhh__ »

toiletaccount wrote: post #30
Sytten wrote: post #22

The claim that is caused tens of millions in lost revenue is always funny to me. It is the same argument used to push DRM everywhere. The fact is, a lot (if not most) people that downloaded the movies or shows would not have paid for it in the first place. So it is not lost revenue.

i like the numbers they come up in some of those lawsuits. i have uhh...heard of people that have robbed the entertaintment industry of roughly the world gdp. if you go by their numbers.

It's no better than https://youtu.be/KSWqx8goqSY (That Awesome Time I Was Sued For Two Billion Dollars) level argument, just with better lawyer-speak.

The US is sheltering a diplomat(spy?) who negligently ran over and killed a British civilian as we speak, but these guys are the real danger.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by skeeter2020 »

foota wrote: post #15
rebelos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. There is some critical mass of piracy that would in fact destroy the economics of the content production model. The industry has to work to deter that by periodically making examples of people. The timing is likely not coincidental either. E…

In fairness, crowd funding and or altruistic consumers could theoretically sustain content production.

in reality this isn't the choice; it's typically private enterprise vs. public (government) broadcasters. Even PBS with lots of supporting patrons can't make it without significant government funding.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by bawolff »

betwixthewires wrote: post #38

I can't help but feel like we are moving from sovereign governments having authority over territorial jurisdictions to sovereign governments having authority over specific interactions between specific parties across the globe. The US government doesn't just have authority over US territory, it has authority over any disputes between anyone and US persons or entities. The same seems to be happening across the EU and…

I'm not sure that's really new. International relations has always been a thin veneer over might makes right, and the usa is very mighty.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by bawolff »

crazygringo wrote: post #34
DennisP wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So change the business model. In the words of Robert Heinlein: "There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or a corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange…

What business model would you suggest, that is capable of financing the TV and films we like to watch? I'm not aware of anything that works in practice, except for legally enforced copyright for at least a handful of years. And enforcing copyright means making torrenting etc. of infringing material illegal. (Of course, whether it should be 5 or 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 years is a separate matter.) And copying the music…

To play devil's advocate, if there is no business model capable of supporting something, it should die.

I like tv as much as the next person, but its hardly sacrosanct.

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by 908B64B197 »

prima-facie wrote: post #13

The extradition treaty is a disgrace for the UK, completely imbalanced in favour of the US. - https://blog.6kbw.com/posts/this-lopsided-treaty-is-the-us-u... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK%E2%80%93US_extradition_trea...

They know they can just... negotiate a better one right?

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by azalemeth »

rebelos wrote: post #14
ssklash wrote: post #12

It is insane to me that someone can get up to 5 years or more for using one of the fundamental mechanisms of digital technology. If you put out a product on a medium whose design is fundamentally based on copying bits , I don't know how you can expect anything else to happen. Instead of accepting the reality of digital communications, the MPAA, RIAA, and the like lobby to have the law protect their outdated but favor…

It's not hard to see how piracy threatens the entire business model. You can have rampant piracy or you can have financially sustainable content production. You cannot have both. There is some critical mass of piracy that would in fact destroy the economics of the content production model. The industry has to work to deter that by periodically making examples of people. The timing is likely not coincidental either. E…

Piracy, when casually undertaken by 50-70% of the population does not harm or even mildly helps sales, as found in a suppressed EU-wide report [1, 2] that you can read in detail here [3].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27798879 [2] TFA: https://www.engadget.com/2017-09-22-eu-suppressed-study-pira... [3] https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/59e... or https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_s...

Re: UK national extradited to US for film/TV piracy

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Post by lotsofpulp »

crazygringo wrote: post #34
DennisP wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So change the business model. In the words of Robert Heinlein: "There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or a corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary public interest. This strange…

What business model would you suggest, that is capable of financing the TV and films we like to watch? I'm not aware of anything that works in practice, except for legally enforced copyright for at least a handful of years. And enforcing copyright means making torrenting etc. of infringing material illegal. (Of course, whether it should be 5 or 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 years is a separate matter.) And copying the music…

The problem is excessively long copyright terms. 10 or even 20 years would be reasonable, such that incentives to pirate would be less and copyright enforcement would make sense.
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