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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by cranesnakecode »

betwixthewires wrote: post #9
echelon wrote: post #7

Even with his billions, Jeff Bezos is such a sore loser. This is just like him whining and moaning about losing JEDI to Microsoft. A contract literally written for Amazon to win . Elon Musk is trying to push the boundaries of what humans do, yet he's got this remarkable jealous space cowboy as a thorn in his side. A hundred problems and now this. I can't imagine the weight on his shoulders. What a sick joke. Amazon h…

I'm not really a bezos or amazon hater, but fact is that amazon uses an anticompetitive business model in almost every endeavor they engage in and this needs to be stopped. I generally like amazon. They've made so many of our lives so much easier. But when they ban sellers from having lower prices on their own sites, wield regulatory agencies against competitors frivolously and things like this, it is unacceptable an…

> this anticompetitive stuff is counterproductive

Competition leads to better results for everyone, but helping everyone isn't their goal. They don't just want to win, they want everyone else to lose even if it means less progress is made overall, because it means they get to be the biggest of the survivors.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by staunch »

greedo wrote: post #34
staunch wrote: post #5

A good friend of Bezos' (like his brother maybe) needs to pull him aside and tell him how pathetic and sad this tactic is making him look. He's ruining his reputation among people he needs to recruit, like engineers, who might not otherwise fall for the false Bezos-is-mustache-twirling-capitalist narrative. Bezos actually seems to be a fairly good person with good motivations in general. But he's also extremely compe…

If you judge someone by how they treat people, Bezos is not a "fairly good person." Whether it's warehouse workers, businesses that "partner" on Amazon, or corporate employees, Bezos treats people like shit. I also question whether he has "good motivations." He wanted to dominate commerce. Not just books, but everything sold. This is not a good motivation and Amazon should be getting busted up.

Anyone who has has worked on such massive projects as Bezos is going to have some failures along the way. It doesn't matter how good a person they are, there will be some accidental collateral damage along the way, at the very least.

The average person has had much less negative impact in their life than Bezos, but they have also had almost infinitely less positive impact as well.

In other words, it doesn't really make sense to zoom in on the failures Bezos has had without putting them into the context of his successes.

And I've never really seen a clear-headed examination of Bezos' positive and negative impact. My guess is that he's doing extremely good overall, even if his negative impact is a bit higher than would be ideal.

This is similar to how many people claim that technology, or even social media, is an evil force in the world while completely ignoring the massive good it has done for people (grandparents living richer and more connected lives with their grandchildren, communities of people supporting each other, political organization, etc).

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by admax88qqq »

hutzlibu wrote: post #103
z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take the eccentric billionaire actually tackling real issues and making actual headway. People here are too narrow minded and have quarter to quarter short term memory disorder, seeming to forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies, not simply greenwashed corporate nonsense that was churned out year after year without any was actual…

"forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies" There are many things, that come to my mind with this statement, but I will just say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because yes, he did gave momentum to the conservative car makers to get them to move their asses. But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 -…

> But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2

Road vehicles account for 5% of global CO2 emissions.

That's not a tiny fraction IMO. It's not huge, but road transportation alone (not counting shipping) account for 5X as much CO2 aviation.

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by betwixthewires »

cranesnakecode wrote: post #131
betwixthewires wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really a bezos or amazon hater, but fact is that amazon uses an anticompetitive business model in almost every endeavor they engage in and this needs to be stopped. I generally like amazon. They've made so many of our lives so much easier. But when they ban sellers from having lower prices on their own sites, wield regulatory agencies against competitors frivolously and things like this, it is unacceptable an…

> this anticompetitive stuff is counterproductive Competition leads to better results for everyone, but helping everyone isn't their goal. They don't just want to win, they want everyone else to lose even if it means less progress is made overall, because it means they get to be the biggest of the survivors.

It's fine of your goal is to help yourself and only yourself. Hurting others as a strategy is not acceptable. Imagine a sprint where the competitors could kick each other.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by encryptluks2 »

baron816 wrote: post #40

I hope the war between Musk and Bezos eventually gets adopted into a poorly conceived movie or TV mini series.

Yes, two billionaires fighting over who gets to pollute the Earth's orbit and send rich people into space for fun while destroying the environment.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by prova_modena »

chaostheory wrote: post #123
mataug wrote: post #49

Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

Amazon entered Day 2 as while back. Its customer service has been a shadow of its former self for years now. It also took them years to resolve the problems stemming from commingling their inventory with 3rd parties.

Are those co-mingling issues actually resolved now? I still avoid purchasing anything on Amazon where receiving a counterfeit or slightly not-as-described item would be consequential. I haven't personally had a bad experience, but have read enough anecdotes and reviews about it over the past year or two that it has strongly shaped my Amazon purchasing habits.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by skeeter2020 »

travoc wrote: post #110
saddlerustle wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walmart.com has third-party sellers, same as Amazon. Both those things are available.

Does Walmart commingle goods from counterfeit sellers with that of reputable sellers for optimized delivery? Amazon does.

I don't know if Walmart has the same extent of 3rd party fulfillment that Amazon does, which seems to be the source & cause of the commingling issues. Walmart always seems to be either the supplier or it's 3rd party; don't know if this true though

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by hutzlibu »

admax88qqq wrote: post #133
hutzlibu wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies" There are many things, that come to my mind with this statement, but I will just say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because yes, he did gave momentum to the conservative car makers to get them to move their asses. But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 -…

> But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 Road vehicles account for 5% of global CO2 emissions. That's not a tiny fraction IMO. It's not huge, but road transportation alone (not counting shipping) account for 5X as much CO2 aviation. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

In the context of the statement, ("sole reason..") I call it tiny.

I mean cars are very visible, so any movement there helps with the public image that things can change.

But he still was only one player in a comparitivly small segment, when green technology is so much bigger than just "cars". And "green cars" was and is much more than just "Tesla".

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