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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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This is pretty dirty from SpaceX. They make this about Amazon by saying Kuiper ("Amazon"). Just because SpaceX calls them "Amazon" in their press release does not make this about Amazon. Or am I missing something and is this really an Amazon endeavor?

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

#102

This is pretty dirty from SpaceX. They make this about Amazon by saying Kuiper ("Amazon"). Just because SpaceX calls them "Amazon" in their press release does not make this about Amazon. Or am I missing something and is this really an Amazon endeavor?

It's literally a fully-owned subsidiary of $AMZN. I'm not even a Musk fanboy but clearly this is 100% appropriate.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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I disdain the owners of both but Bezos (fairly) seems to get a bit more ire here. The Verge’s piece elaborated that SpaceX hasn’t decided between two configurations and want approval for both even though they will only choose one, so everyone else has to plan around two different configurations. I’m not sure if that’s standard procedure but it does seem a bit unfair to add double work for everyone else.

I'll take the eccentric billionaire actually tackling real issues and making actual headway. People here are too narrow minded and have quarter to quarter short term memory disorder, seeming to forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies, not simply greenwashed corporate nonsense that was churned out year after year without any was actual…

"forget that Musk and Tesla are the sole reason we have had the progress and momentum towards actually greener technologies"

There are many things, that come to my mind with this statement, but I will just say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Because yes, he did gave momentum to the conservative car makers to get them to move their asses. But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 - and the whole green technology was kind of a thing before, with lots and lots of research about it all around the world. And implementing that research. Long before Musk was known outside a small bubble.

It is just, that we are increasingly starting to see the effects of climate change that makes people act.

I respect Musk for what he contributed. But I feel that glorifying him in this way, puts down all the other work in a unbalanced way.

"Bezos is literally the greedy avatar of Edison in this race, who's only advances are only made through parasitic monopolies, tyranny, and his own ego."

And I really hate to defend Bezos, but I do not think the success of Amazon comes out of a parasitic ego. But rather smart and efficient logistics. Incorporating robots and automatisation wherever possible. While exploiting the workforce, yeah, but Musk has not really a great record in that realm either.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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This is slightly off-topic but it always seemed to me that FAANG has a vested interest in making internet access as fast, cheap, and highly available as possible (commoditize your compliment). So I wonder why they went in together on some kind of consortium to make that happen. Google tried their hand a few years ago and didn't get very far, and now it seems like it's Amazon's turn. It would make more sense to me if…

It feels like Amazon interest is more because Blue Origin needed the workloads rather than Amazon was really keen by itself.

Although they are now planning to launch the first sats with other providers, they seemed content to wait for BO despite the progress oneWeb and starlink were making.

Google loon , fibre and were really hobby/limited projects without any real serious intent to take it to scale.

Google invested a $ 1 Billion in one of its investment rounds in SpaceX partly to get starlink going . So they are still pooling resources in some sense, just not directly doing it.

Facebook project seemed to get not get anywhere due to the backlash on limited access to only 100 sites etc. They did recently invest in indian teleco Reliance Jio, so perhaps they are doing something still.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

#106

I hope the war between Musk and Bezos eventually gets adopted into a poorly conceived movie or TV mini series.

Its mostly a Musk trying to do things and Bezos trying to stop him. A war would consider them attacking each other.

I have not seen a single lawsuit or complaint filed by SpaceX against BlueOrigin or Amazon.

The certainty point out in their defense that Amazon is full of shit, but to my knowledge they have not issued complaints about Kupiter.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as the final battle takes place on Mars, I'd watch that.

You're giving Bezos a lot of credit on actually being able to get there.

Perhaps he can take out of page of Netflix using AWS and use spaceX to get there.

However going by how projects like Amazon Fire went, they are likely to exit the space once they no longer make headway they want

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? My impression was that the low orbits used by Starlink and similar are the best place for this since it will all naturally deorbit on short timescales. It's just space who cares if we clog it up some with more useful things.

Because you think that being able to read twitter between two ads is "more useful" than watching a pure night sky ???? Maybe you should think about what is really "useful" for you... and what other people find "useful"

I think people who have night sky views pure enough for satellites to become a nuisance is probably in the global minority. One might even call it a privileged pov, given that most rural inhabitants of this planet struggle for basic network connectivity needed for their livelihood and the education of their children. I respect your sentiment, though - ultimately, the question is not whether we should do it; it’s who’s gonna stop us.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

Here is the actual ex parte filing: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Amazo...

It is quite short and basically alleges SpaceX failed to fulfill various requirements when filing its amendment. Mainly, it alleges SpaceX submitted two different configuration options and the Commission's rules require them to settle on a single configuration option to submit.

Are those legitimate allegations? I have no idea. I'm not an expert on FCC amendment rules, and I doubt many here are either. But it seems kind of misleading to call that "because it can't compete" when the filing says something completely different.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you buy things like high end bike parts on Walmart? Or addidas running shoes? Honest question

Walmart.com has third-party sellers, same as Amazon. Both those things are available.

Does Walmart commingle goods from counterfeit sellers with that of reputable sellers for optimized delivery? Amazon does.
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