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Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by betwixthewires »

Remember when it was a slippery slope fallacy to suggest that this sort of thing would go beyond banning fatpeoplehate? I haven't used reddit in 2 years. I'm not a vaccine denier or anything like that, but why would I want to use a public discussion tool that disallows public discussion?

I think though this points to an architectural problem with the multi community link aggregator/forum concept. Fact is, when you have a site that allows multiple communities to coexist and bleed into one another some won't get along, some will harass each other, it probably always results in things like this, then you get echo chambers. I think forums and single community sites (possibly even federated) make a lot more sense to prevent interaction from devolving into this. The model reddit based their business on has obviously failed the user at this point. It was a Utopian (and profitable!) dream to be the site for this sort of thing and it was short sighted in hindsight.

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by guilhas »

beebmam wrote: post #11

It is not legal (and should not be legal) for people to force privately owned companies to publish speech that those companies don't want to publish. Hacker News itself does this all the time; there's plenty of topics and conversations that aren't allowed to be posted here. And people get banned/silenced all the time. And that's good! That's what healthy moderation looks like.

But they are not forcing, they are "working together"

https://fullfact.org/blog/2020/nov/framework-combat-misinfor...

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by Asraelite »

abstractbarista wrote: post #15

It is time: I've deleted my account after clearing all posts and comments. Don't want to leave anything of value behind.

I can't count the number of times that I've come across a would-be useful comment that would solve exactly the issue I'm having, only for it to have been deleted.

Hating the site is fair, but honestly what you're doing is really shitty. Thank god Pushshift exists.

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by seattle_spring »

pope_meat wrote: post #40
jude- wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gee, it's almost as if moderation is necessary for communities to thrive! Imagine that.

I'm wondering what it says about us humans that the only way to maintain even a modicum of civility is heavy censorship. Also, don't these folks realize that Jesus was Jewish... like, what kind of brain worms crawling in their heads that they can in one breath proclaim faith to an Abrahamic religion, hate for people from that part of the world, and how morality comes from a society following their preferred religion.…

Moderation isn't censorship, and moderating out 5% of a userbase that makes 95% of the noise doesn't really say anything about society. I don't expect this comment to get much love in a thread linking to patriots.win, a clone of one of the most heavily moderated and hateful subs in Reddit history.

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by mint2 »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #21
mint2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it so clearly a bad thing to quarantine extremism and misinformation to dark corners rather than allow them to be in a more easily stumbled upon location by non-extremists or not yet extremists that are somewhat susceptible to falling down that rabbit hole if exposed?

Glad to know we finally found the final arbiter of what exactly is "extremism and misinformation"! This will make governing the people so much easier now!

Please refrain from sarcasm that doesn’t add anything. If you want to add to the discussion please elaborate on why you think it is impossible to know if something is extremism in a reasonably objective manner, and explain the examples most people would think of like neonazi propaganda and vaccine disinformation that causes people to prefer unstudied horse dewormer over studied vaccines.

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by b0sk »

sinecure wrote: post #27

Reddit's procedure for communities that go against any mainstream progressive narrative is to quarantine them and then ban them under the accusation of "brigading". They have essentially trimmed all alternative thought or discussion from the website and turned places like /r/news, which used to be a moderate and balanced place of discussion, into a completely one-sided echo chamber of modern progressive politics. The…

There's no rational discussion to be had between homeopathy doctor and an oncologist, for example. It's just a waste of bandwidth and source of misinformation which is killing innocents.

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by dredmorbius »

beebmam wrote: post #11

It is not legal (and should not be legal) for people to force privately owned companies to publish speech that those companies don't want to publish. Hacker News itself does this all the time; there's plenty of topics and conversations that aren't allowed to be posted here. And people get banned/silenced all the time. And that's good! That's what healthy moderation looks like.

Though I support Reddit in its (very belated) actions here, I disagree with your statement.

Restrictions on free speech and dissent ... or the overwhelming of channels, forums, and archives with propaganda and disinformation ... are both characteristics of abusive, power, regardless of its foundation. The origins of free speech princples emerged in response to religious and monarchical governmental abuses, for the most part (with some role played by lesser nobles and interests).

With numerous commercial firms existing at scales which rival entire countries, the "private property" defence against any and all limitations on censorship simply isn't supportable. That said, a reasonable and principled policy with review, oversight, and appeals processes would be useful. Ultimately I see government regulation as a very likely necessity for communications platforms operating at significant scale.

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by rex-mundi »

betwixthewires wrote: post #41

Remember when it was a slippery slope fallacy to suggest that this sort of thing would go beyond banning fatpeoplehate? I haven't used reddit in 2 years. I'm not a vaccine denier or anything like that, but why would I want to use a public discussion tool that disallows public discussion? I think though this points to an architectural problem with the multi community link aggregator/forum concept. Fact is, when you ha…

Did you find a replacement for reddit you like?

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by postalrat »

rex-mundi wrote: post #48
betwixthewires wrote: post #41

Remember when it was a slippery slope fallacy to suggest that this sort of thing would go beyond banning fatpeoplehate? I haven't used reddit in 2 years. I'm not a vaccine denier or anything like that, but why would I want to use a public discussion tool that disallows public discussion? I think though this points to an architectural problem with the multi community link aggregator/forum concept. Fact is, when you ha…

Did you find a replacement for reddit you like?

HN?

Re: Reddit bans anti-vaccine subreddit r/NoNewNormal after site-wide protest

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Post by postalrat »

cinntaile wrote: post #4
thepasswordis wrote: post #2

Ah yes, and now they'll move to an even more permissive platform which cares even less what they think. Oh, and wouldn't you know: those more permissive platforms are also where actual white nationalists, racists, and violent extremists hang out. Just an absolutely pathetic, counterproductive, downright stupid decision on behalf of reddit.

Surely fringe groups (other platforms) have a smaller impact on society than groups that are part of the mainstream (Reddit)?

Until enough people move from a large platform (digg) to a new one (reddit).
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