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Gentle reminder that Lenovo jumped the shark quite a while ago. The whole Superfish debacle, the spyware, the crapware, the endless stream of shitty decisions. Year after year, the hardware gets worse. Customer support gets worse. The sad thing is that they're still better than everything else out there. Which says a lot about the laptop industry in general.

> The sad thing is that they're still better than everything else out there. They haven't ever been better than Apple laptop hardware, even in Intel-land. There seems to be this common bias in PC laptop evaluation that excludes Apple machines from consideration when doing comparisons. Apple makes the best x64 laptops, and has for years. Sadly, they will stop soon.

None of my PC laptops ever had parts of the keyboard randomly die on me. None of my PC laptops, ever, had self-inflating batteries.

I experienced both on employer-provided MacBooks. Now, I may have been particularly unlucky here, but I think Apple hardware quality never having been surpassed is a bit of an optimistic statement.

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Can I run Linux on them? Can I get them with keyboards that aren't awful? Can I get them with next-business-day-on-site warranty? Not trying to be snarky here, I haven't owned an Apple product since the iMac, so I literally don't know. But I suspect the answer is "no".

I’ve never understood the next-business-day-on-site warranty thing people seem so keen on. Apple products (top case stickers notwithstanding) are fungible: just buy another one from any Apple store in the universe and restore your backup, and let AppleCare deal with the busted one on their own schedule. There’s nothing special about your laptop except the data. The factory pumps out bazillions of them.

This strategy does not pass "the car test" - we would not accept Ford to tell us to "just buy another car and let insurance figure out how to reimburse you for the busted one".

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GP said the device was "bricked", so I'm not sure whether that feature would work. "bricked" to me would imply BIOS is broken (otherwise it's not really bricked because you can reinstall the OS). The feature on various gaming motherboards involves you copying the BIOS file on a formatted USB, plugging it into the motherboard, and pressing a button (on the motherboard itself). This works even if the current BIOS is br…

That's correct: the BIOS was corrupt; the machine had no display at all, so no way to enter the BIOS menu or "boot" an OS. Other Lenovo laptops have a recovery mode (Fn+R) where some bootstrapping firmware would flash a BIOS from USB, they neglected to include that feature in the (presumably lower cost) Flex lineup. Some folks out of support went as far as desoldering the EPROM with the BIOS and hooking it up to a fl…

> I realize they have a lot of different models and probably a limited test matrix

Why would that be hard? They're the manufacturer; all they have to do is keep a handful of every model they've made, stick them in a room connected to network and power, and have Jenkins run a job on them that flashes the firmware and reboots. I know I'm oversimplifying, but I don't think I'm oversimplifying by that much, and it shouldn't be hard for the manufacturer to keep test units of their own hardware on hand.

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What is increasingly scaring me: This time, the vendor was "nice" enough to only force you into viewing a subscription offer. However, there is really nothing technical that would keep them from forcing you to take the subscription if you want to continue using your device. Vendors have enough control about locked-down devices that they could play ransomware and make arbitrary demands to their users without many prob…

Yeah, sure, technically any vendor can push updates to brick your device, but that doesn’t happen because of the law. This stuff often gets through because it’s small enough, gray enough, and done by smaller companies. Have Apple pull something like this and you’ll see on the NYT.

Not quite the same, but there was a story yesterday about Apple doing this with a "Try the new Safari" notification. I think this falls under your "gray enough" category, but it is interesting they violated their own design guidelines.

Apple discussion: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252412228

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28361730

Re: Lenovo tablet forced update shows un-dismissable, un-mutable, ad notifications

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I recently bought a Galaxy Tab S7+ and was surprised by the amount of bloatware that had been rammed into it. There was nothing as egregious as forced ads though.

After an hour with adb I'd managed to uninstall almost all of the crap (particularly Bixby), but it really shouldn't be necessary to resort to such measures.

Anyway: adb -d shell pm uninstall --user 0

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This is despicable, and it's indicative of a trend I've been noticing over the years. Personal computing used to be about user empowerment. Today it seems to me that many tech companies treat their users as nothing more than either "eyeballs" to show ads to or as cows to be milked through vendor lock-in and subscription services. Either way, I feel the user experience has degraded in recent years, and I feel we incre…

Alternatives certainly exist - I've been moving myself rapidly in that direction after my nearly 20 years of Apple use has come to an end (at a remarkably low sysadmin-hours-per-year level, that's going to go up substantially). Unfortunately, most of them aren't quite ready for standard daily driver use.

I've been daily driving a PineBook Pro, and despite some custom kernel hacking I've done, I still don't have reliably sound after sleep... unless I don't have sleep enabled properly, at which point it won't last the night on battery. Pick your poison. Or do more kernel hacking. It's something related to device sleep/resume on the audio chip, which I eventually found some NDA'd datasheets for. Fortunately, I can use 2.4GHz wifi out where I live, because 5GHz is also weirdly broken unless you perform the right incantations after power cycle.

At this point, I think "those who can" move away from the core ecosystems have an obligation to do so, and try to pave the road in front of us. Right now, it's cobblestones at best (if you ignore the potholes), and a lot of people simply won't go that way. As long as the alternatives start with "Well, as long as you don't mind..." and then a list of features people consider important... they're going to remain alternatives.

But, at the same time, I find myself considering how much hassle is worth it to "remain in the ecosystems." Yes. I can do a lot of work to smooth out rough edges, write my own kernel modules to work around hardware quirks (I really should upstream the sleep changes), figure out alternatives to things that don't work, do Matrix bridges, and...

At what point is it simply not worth it? At what point is trying to keep up with modern consumer tech, to de-fang it, and make it work for me instead against of me just more hassle than it's worth? If anything mainstream is eventually going to get updates that turn it against me (which I consider updates like this to be), then... why bother? The benefits are great, but if the downsides and workarounds and time cost are too much, then I should consider if I actually want to be part of that.

I've already done this with cell phones. Apple pissed me off with on-device CSAM scanning enough (well, that was the final straw) that I've gone back to a flip phone. I could go Pixel, Graphene, etc, but I've decided to experiment with what I actually miss out on, going back to a flip phone. I've de-fanged my previous phone a lot, so it's less of a change than for a lot of people, but... a few weeks in, I actually haven't missed a smartphone that much.

I object strongly to the whole "You pay for the tech which then collects data and makes money on the backend optimizing the advertising feed to your pair of eyeballs" model that is more and more a part of consumer tech, so perhaps the right answer is to simply opt out of it. It's a recent addition to life. We can go back to what worked before.

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PC laptops are now budget machines so they compete on price. Anything that competes on price tends to become a deflationary race to the bottom. This is part of why people feel almost stuck with Apple. Their hardware is a lot better than most of the competition, though it comes with a price premium, and while there are privacy concerns they are less than with these shitware-loaded machines. You can also install Linux…

> PC laptops are now budget machines so they compete on price. Anything that competes on price tends to become a deflationary race to the bottom. That really only applies to the consumer line. The thinkpad line is still pretty solid.

This is why I started a minor cult. The cult of the X220. News at 11. (central)

Re: Lenovo tablet forced update shows un-dismissable, un-mutable, ad notifications

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With alternatives such as System76 and the modular Framework laptop emerging, as well as low-cost systems from Pine, Lenovo's claim as the default preferred choice of the Linux/*BSD and power-user set is very rapidly evaporating. I've bought Thinkpads personally and professionally for 20 years. Idiotic cunning stunts such as this and Superfish have removed it from any future consideration.

If they get similar build quality, then yes.

I know I'll miss the track point, as it seems I'm the only one to use it a lot.

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Can I run Linux on them? Can I get them with keyboards that aren't awful? Can I get them with next-business-day-on-site warranty? Not trying to be snarky here, I haven't owned an Apple product since the iMac, so I literally don't know. But I suspect the answer is "no".

I’ve never understood the next-business-day-on-site warranty thing people seem so keen on. Apple products (top case stickers notwithstanding) are fungible: just buy another one from any Apple store in the universe and restore your backup, and let AppleCare deal with the busted one on their own schedule. There’s nothing special about your laptop except the data. The factory pumps out bazillions of them.

> I’ve never understood the next-business-day-on-site warranty thing people seem so keen on.

I need my laptop to work. If it doesn't work, I can't work. If I can't work, I'm not getting paid. That's why "next business day" is important.

My laptop contains sensitive data. Data which is encrypted at rest, but which I'm nevertheless not going to ship to goodness knows where, for goodness knows how long. That's one reason why "on site" is important. The other is that I paid a lot of money for a piece of hardware; I'm not going to faf about looking for some Apple Store (of which very few exist in my country).

Lenovo charges ~15% of the purchase price for 3 year NBDOS support, which is very much worth every cent. Tech shows up, replaces $part, leaves, and I can get back to work.

Re: Lenovo tablet forced update shows un-dismissable, un-mutable, ad notifications

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Gentle reminder that Lenovo jumped the shark quite a while ago. The whole Superfish debacle, the spyware, the crapware, the endless stream of shitty decisions. Year after year, the hardware gets worse. Customer support gets worse. The sad thing is that they're still better than everything else out there. Which says a lot about the laptop industry in general.

> The sad thing is that they're still better than everything else out there. They haven't ever been better than Apple laptop hardware, even in Intel-land. There seems to be this common bias in PC laptop evaluation that excludes Apple machines from consideration when doing comparisons. Apple makes the best x64 laptops, and has for years. Sadly, they will stop soon.

After 30 years of buying Apple, I gave up when it became common for the powerbooks to subject you to DC in the wrists, kill perfectly serviceable panasonic dvd drives and send HDs to nirvana on the clock. The number of recovery jobs I had to run for musicians and filmmakers between 2003 and 2010 was hair raising. Never again. My mac classic runs just fine.
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