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Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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I'm extremely excited about this project. If the product reviews end up as positive as the pre-production reviews, my next laptop is definitely going to be a Framework Laptop.

The press reviews (since July 22nd) are all off of production units!

Ooh, great to hear!

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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In the works! We're setting up the infrastructure now to be able to ship and provide support outside the US and Canada. The hardware itself is certified for most markets.

Can't wait to order a frame.work laptop from France :) It will replace my 5 years old Dell Latitude E7480 (extended with third party 32G RAM and 1 TB nvme). And my colleagues in the IT department are also interested, like ifixit it reminds them of 2012 era macbook.

It'd be interesting to see what IT departments think of frame.work laptops - imagine, fixable hardware!

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Will there be an option for a different keyboard? It's been some 10 years since everyone seemed to have settled on the "chiclet" style keyboards, to my own sadness

I got a linux laptop from Tuxedo (https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en) and I think the keyboard is the most comfortable and satisfying I've used. (And I have RSI so I'm fairly sensitive to keyboards.)

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week. I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.

Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system. But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open lapt…

> Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors.

Sure. But politics of change happens only when an idea spreads. This happens only by changing your own attitudes first, and then trying to advocate it to others in your social circle. The more you believe in an idea, and personify it by adopting it, the easier it is for others to believe you and consider it.

This is what Gandhi once said:

> “We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. This is the divine mystery supreme. A wonderful thing it is and the source of our happiness. We need not wait to see what others do.”

(This is what is drummed down to the quote - "Be the change you want to see in this world".)

Gandhi was a brilliant politician and this advise is psychologically quite profound - a lot of pessimism, frustration and anxiety that we experience is because we often focus on things that are beyond our sphere of control.

(Gandhi was not the only politician to have this idea. Muhammad, whom the muslims consider their Prophet, also advocated similar ideas in Islam and this is apparent on Islam's dictates on charity. Muslims in my social circle are literally taught that "charity begins at home". Apart from the poor and the needy, they are told to keep a major portion aside and first enquire within the family if anyone is in need of financial help, and then expand their search to include friends and acquaintances. That's socialism and distribution of wealth within a family / social circle, and the effects of that can be much more profound.)

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as…

Claiming that the motherboard can be replaced is highly aspirational at this point. Let's wait and see. Personally, very excited to see this product, but I really want an AMD APU machine.

They seem to be fairly confident about it in their material: https://frame.work/blog/the-upgradeable-mainboard

Yes an AMD APU with RDNA graphics in this laptop is what I really want.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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This is the first time I'm hearing about the Framework laptop and… damn, it looks enticing. Unfortunately, 13" is definitely too small for me (in terms of ergonomics). Are you planning on releasing models with a larger (and matte) screen in the future? Also, could the keyboard "module" in theory be fully customized by the community (so as to support ergonomic layouts similar to ErgoDox, include a trackpoint etc.)? Fi…

The built in USB-C ports are actually fully compatible with Thunderbolt they're just waiting for certification before they can say that. https://community.frame.work/t/thunderbolt-yes-or-no-or-not-...

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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I'm all for more choice and competition in this industry, and more pressure on manufacturers to reign in consumer-hostile practices. However, I'm not sure that I get this. At the end of the day, we're talking about an MBP-lookalike that runs Windows and has non-soldered RAM. And kinda-sorta gives you an option to run Linux without paying the Windows tax, but only if you're willing to assemble from a kit. That's... no…

Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as…

> When they release an AMD motherboard I'm definitely going to order one.

Aaaaand you have just validated the GP's point. :)

I love the concept and will check them out when I'll need a new laptop. But I am definitely a "fickle unique snowflake" kind of a customer.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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I can't see this succeeding when the laptop I have to assemble myself costs more than a prebuilt laptop with much better specs. I love the idea too, but the price seems a little outrageous.

I have a Purism laptop, over 2 years old now so out of warranty. The USB system had a problem last month. Purism shipped me a new motherboard at cost within a few days. I happily swapped out the old motherboard (a bit fiddly in places, but perfectly straightforward). Laptop is fine, I'm typing this on it now. I've had problems with Dells before - if it's out of warranty then tough, nothing we can do. I had a screen f…

>Purism shipped me a new motherboard at cost within a few days.

I wonder why they don't at least mark up the replacement? Or at cost means normal consumer cost and not BOM cost?

In the other end of spectrum Apple do these part swap with exact same margin as they do on a new devices + their labour.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Uh, you missed the main feature of the device. Basically everything in the laptop is user replaceable. Even the motherboard can be swapped and presumably replaced with a newer model. The ports can be swapped too, so no more wishing you had more USB ports or ethernet ports or whatever. You could even design your own expansion card. Framework can release new keyboards, screens, etc and the user can just install them as…

> When they release an AMD motherboard I'm definitely going to order one. Aaaaand you have just validated the GP's point. :) I love the concept and will check them out when I'll need a new laptop. But I am definitely a "fickle unique snowflake" kind of a customer.

I don't think so. Maybe if I had said, "when they release a dvorak keyboard I'm in!" but preferring AMD is not a super user ask.

There's also the issue of they missed the whole point of the product.

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