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Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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What makes you so sure you have all the right answers, since you mention their arguments are hard to counter? I don't think the truth is partisan at the moment, and throughout history it's in moments like these, when people are extremely sure of the truth being partisan, that horrible things are allowed to happen. I mostly doubt when skepticism itself is demonized and made out to be the problem, and that seems to hav…

Does skepticism take into account factual knowledge gained through rigorous study? ? Because there are many emperical facts that these so-called skeptics are not only ignoring but calling out as fake.

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Discussing news is just like tech support and I try to avoid berating them over what they know or believe. I have no expectation of one of us changing our beliefs about vaccination risks, or them figuring out how to do firmware updates. We do figure things out, but it depends more on the amount of trust, and less about the soundness of arguments.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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This is what helped for me for years: I stopped having discussions regarding opinions based on fake news. I usually just tell them that I don't have an opinion on the matter and that I don't care what their opinion is. I prefer to talk about something else. In my opinion, I think it's better not to have too many opinions in general. This is one of the few opinions I have. It seems like our brain wants to have opinion…

The strength it takes to say "I don't know" should be more respected and honored.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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When people want the truth, they'll find it. If they don't want it, no amount of effort will guide them to it.

Don't guide them with facts. Guide them to seek the truth. There's a reason they're avoiding truth. Fix that.

In my case, what works is asking them to seek God for advice. If they die from someone's bad advice, then the angels will ask them why they chose to follow that advice when their hearts told them otherwise. If they follow God's advice and died, then it's just their time and they'd be judged as martyrs for following it.

Everyone I've said that to later took the vaccine. It doesn't have to be religious, but appeal to their highest morality, not yours.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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I find it peculiar that disregarding the context (hacker news) and just focusing strictly on the content of your message I wouldn't be able to figure out which side you're supposed to be on. I could as well be reading this in one of 'their' forums, where one of your loved ones had posted this exact same message, word for word, to ask advice from their group on how to deal with a loved one affected by fake news (== you).

Unfortunately, I don't have any solutions. This seems like a viciously hard problem. I saw a VICE clip[0] about some survivors of covid-19 in an ICU, and even after going through a near-death experience firsthand they were still hesitant about taking the vaccine. This suggests to me that this issue originates somewhere too deep in the lizard brain to just be reasoned with using the real facts.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqUy8915gBg

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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I have one of these people on my wife's side (not specific to covid).

Make your argument and give them your sources, once. If they don't buy it, then just drop it. There's usually no convincing them because they're committed to their position and will just continually defend it. Even pointing out incorrect facts and giving them counterpoints doesn't seem to work.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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TL;DR; My personal advice is to keep talking to your loved ones with an open-minded dialogue.

I'm on a similar situation myself too; in my case my loved ones are well educated (physicists and biologists), and aged (over 60s & 70s).

You need to change your perspective and realise that for them, you are the person that believes on "fake news". During my talks with them, I've tried lots of different approaches to demystify some of their arguments; I made my own plots based on open data for COVID-19, I used well-sourced articles from newspapers or even published white papers, until I realised that the matter is based on opinionated believes rather than a lack of fact-checked information.

Now, I'm treating these conversations similarly to having a political discussion; there are some parts that we both disagree and this is fine, but we also have some grey areas that we can discuss further about. The fact that I'm also "challenging" myself with alternative questions and perspectives, I think it makes me better to do a better data-search for the next time.

Having said that, what I do respect the most on them is the fact that they try to seek their own personal opinion. But "popularised science" in ongoing matters is hard to find, thus the only easy-to-digest content is through groups and videos that carry-on with promoting misinformation; news that are not fact-check but only based on opinions (usually political driven).

So as you mentioned, the main problem is the lack of fact-checking popularised sources & channels. One example that does exist is "TL;DR; News" [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugJkIEfv8vI

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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post #15

I find it peculiar that disregarding the context (hacker news) and just focusing strictly on the content of your message I wouldn't be able to figure out which side you're supposed to be on. I could as well be reading this in one of 'their' forums, where one of your loved ones had posted this exact same message, word for word, to ask advice from their group on how to deal with a loved one affected by fake news (== yo…

I agree with what you said, it may be me who is affected... And yeah it is a very hard problem. I think the underlying problem is determine / finding the truth.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with loved ones that are affected by fake news?

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post #3

What makes you so sure you have all the right answers, since you mention their arguments are hard to counter? I don't think the truth is partisan at the moment, and throughout history it's in moments like these, when people are extremely sure of the truth being partisan, that horrible things are allowed to happen. I mostly doubt when skepticism itself is demonized and made out to be the problem, and that seems to hav…

Does skepticism take into account factual knowledge gained through rigorous study? ? Because there are many emperical facts that these so-called skeptics are not only ignoring but calling out as fake.

Rigorous study would be years of research. We had months and it was rushed. We're still learning. What we have now is a best attempt.

Actual facts would be something like washing your hands or boiling water preventing diseases. Nobody questions it anymore but they once did. But for the same reason, it's important to let people question. It was once doctors who opposed the idea of sanitation.

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