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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by slezyr »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #220
caslon wrote: post #57

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Southpaw here! I'd never buy a laptop without a number pad. The track pad being off-center is also good. Gaming? 78462 make for the best movement, and the number pad also has seven non-numerical buttons to bind things to. It also puts your index finger right next to lENTER, which is so useful for games that make use of it. Programming? Bind the buttons to commonly-used UNIX programs to make for a better IDE than an I…

Another big one is Blender; I don't think I could use it without a numpad.

You can, there is a setting for such cases

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/editors/preference...

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by ayushnix »

chrismorgan wrote: post #294
ayushnix wrote: post #254

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Hmm, I guess I didn't think about the 15.6 inch size in laptops. I have a 14 inch laptop so I was thinking in terms of that size. 1080p on my laptop needs 1.2 — 1.3 scaling to look "normal". I know people dismiss this as personal taste but 1) IINM, Windows defaults to 125% automatically on such a display and 2) I have a hard time reading text without scaling my 14 inch 1080p display. Sure, people, resort to scaling j…

14″ is an uncomfortable size for integral scaling: past 1366×768 (112ppi), all of the popular sizes call for fractional scaling: in my rough guide of 110–140ppi, that’s about 110–140% for 1080p (so the 125% you cited is good), about 150–190% for 1440p, and about 225–285% for 4K. (13.3″ works better: 100% for 1366×768, 120–150% for 1080p so no integer there, 160–200% for 1440p, 240–300% for 4K.) Fractional scaling in…

> Fractional scaling in Sway doesn’t degrade quality in any way in Wayland windows: it leaves the scaling to the app to execute, and I haven’t come across a single app getting it wrong.

Funny you say that considering Firefox goes haywire if you use it on Sway with fractional scaling.

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6432 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6426 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6147

Other Qt apps like Qterminal are also not able to show tooltips normally if you enable scaling. Some Qt apps which I absolutely adore like Spectacle and Gwenview don't work at all though this might be a different issue.

> But then there’s anything still using X11: without the high-DPI patches, XWayland renders at 1× and scales it up so that it’ll look bad for any scale higher than one, whether fractional or integral. With the patches, you get to decide what to do.

The unofficial XWayland HiDPI patches? Yeah, I'm not gonna use them if they're official. It's a pain to compile and build complex packages like these. The AUR is fine for small and casual packages with a few dependencies but nothing complex, I feel.

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Post by jcelerier »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #192
sofixa wrote: post #96

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Depends on your browsing habits. I often end up with hundreds of Chrome tabs, which can easily result in 16GB of RAM being consumed by it alone. Thankfully there are plugins to automatically suspend unused tabs which help with that.

I read this workflow a lot and it absolutely boggles my mind how people can have some many tabs open. You can’t possibly be able to make sense of all those tabs at once. And if your not using the tab, why not just bookmark it? Seems the only purpose of 100+ tabs is wasting ram.

I have something like 80 tabs open from my morning alone lol, 30/35 are some bibliography quest about a fairly specific topic, a dozen about the various approaches to fast sin & cos approximations, a few are mails & social networks

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Post by OJFord »

xxs wrote: post #306
smichel17 wrote: post #239

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What about by volume? Also, stronger meaning what? There's a combination of factors here: not just whether it breaks, but also how (dent vs crack..). Also, how well it ages. Also, how much flex does it have and how does that affect the lifespan of the internal components? I don't know those answers; perhaps carbon plastic wins on all metrics. It would be interesting to learn.

>Also, stronger meaning what? Usually tensile strength. For example: Tensile strength: even a commodity PA6-GF30 (most half-decent tools are made of) is ~110MPa [according to ISO 527], cast Aluminum - would be ~150MPa (22K psi for the imperial folks) depending on the alloy. Of course, most laptops would be using an ABS blend, which is the hallmark low-quality tools. >Dents That would depend on the top finish, not so…

> >Dents

> That would depend on the top finish, not so much of the material itself.

Would it? If I dropped an aluminium bodied laptop like a Macbook or HP Envy, I'd expect it might scuff and slightly dent at the point of impact. If I dropped the cheapest plastic bodied thing from Currys/Walmart/whatever, I'd expect it might scuff and crack the plastic between screws or something.

What top finish would you apply to a cheap plastic laptop to make it 'ding' like aluminium instead of crack in a drop test?

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Post by OJFord »

darthrupert wrote: post #267
lighttower wrote: post #216

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Before you conclude that Thinkpad have good Linux support, go on over to lenovo's Q&A forum and look up battery issues for the t14. At this point in time I've spent so much time on this that I could have easily saved 5k or 10k by having a machine that just worked!

Yep. That's how Apple hardware is dirt cheap.

If you want to run Linux though, battery life is the least of your problems with (post.. was it 2016?) Apple hardware.

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Post by indolering »

fsflover wrote: post #334
techrat wrote: post #80

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It's all Clevo based anyway. System76 doesn't go much beyond what they source. It's a shame, if they actually made the effort to design a laptop that went beyond its foundation, I'd be more interested. But instead it's Clevo guts, Clevo problems. Looking at the AMD laptop linked... Lots of empty space that could have been slightly optimized for a larger battery. It just seems basically thought out... not like conside…

> if they actually made the effort to design a laptop that went beyond its foundation, I'd be more interested. Have a look at https://puri.sm/products/librem-14 then.

Mine fell apart and the company is shady.

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Post by megous »

zingar wrote: post #356

How's the trackpad? You'll pry my MacBook from my cold dead hands unless you can give me a trackpad that is as good.

Trackpad mechanics is just something to get used to, just like switching to a keyboard with a different layout. Annoying/frustrating at first, after a week you can care less.

It's like the comparatively fucked up natural scrolling on macOS, when coming from windows, or whatever it's called. Your brain will accommodate.

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Post by yisonPylkita »

philliphaydon wrote: post #315
kongin wrote: post #217

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>but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAIK they also provide very good Linux support). This has not been the case in 5 years.

What isn't the case? They don't provide good support for Linux or they aren't way cheaper? Cos AFAIK both of those are true.

Yeah, good luck updating firmware of your docking station or using DisplayPort's from it under Linux

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Post by pmontra »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #107
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #60

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Yes the numpad comes in useful when I’m calculating all day

If you were a real hacker you'd use it for playing roguelikes in the terminal.

Yeah, that was the last time I used a keypad. I really hate mine. I don't have a use case for it and because of it I have to slide the laptop to the right, to align the keyboard with my vertical axis of symmetry.

I understand that many people need it and many others don't. I wish manufacturers had an option for keyboards without the number pad. I'd pay an extra for it.

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