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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I had a NUC(NUC6i7KYK) that no matter what I tried, I couldn't make WiFi work reliably. Tried Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, tries upgrading the driver blobs from Intel, nothing worked!

Then one time for fun I tried Pop!_OS, and lo and behold, never had a problem with WiFi again!

Good job System76!

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No, the conclusion is that more buttons are always better. You can always customize a keyboard with minimal effort, unless you're on a really bad operating system, like any of the proprietary ones.

> No, the conclusion is that more buttons are always better. Not really. There was a time where laptops, especially 15", had front speakers. If the choice is that or numpad, I pick front speakers. Its a bummer smartphones don't have them anymore these days. More keys might seem like a no-brainer, but its always also less is more and keys you don't use are useless keys. As power user, it seems (re)binding of keys is i…

The iphone has a front speaker. The top one is a loudspeaker and a normal phone one. And they tune it so when in landscape I don't really notice the difference between the front and outwards speaker.

Phone speakers have come a long way since samsung was putting them on the back of the phones..

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I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

I really hate using laptop without numpad because there are 9 digits in my email address. It is much faster to enter it using a numpad.

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It's oh so terrible isn't it? I feel like this is one of those flexible majority things that Nassim Taleb talks about [1]. The vast majority of people don't care one way or the other. There is a small minority who wants the numeric keypad and an even smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one. For me, it's always been yet another selling point for the Macbook. [1]…

> smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one I'm in this minority! Why don't people use the top-row numbers!?!?

Some programs like blender treat the top row numbers as totally different things (actually numbers vs camera movements) and for people typing a lot of numbers, the num pad is faster apparently.

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I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

I really hate using laptop without numpad because there are 9 digits in my email address. It is much faster to enter it using a numpad.

Can't you just use the top row? I type numbers much faster with top row than numpad. As a result I never touch the numpad.

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I really hate using laptop without numpad because there are 9 digits in my email address. It is much faster to enter it using a numpad.

Can't you just use the top row? I type numbers much faster with top row than numpad. As a result I never touch the numpad.

The digits in my email are "741852963", which is much easier to type on a numpad compared to top row. IIRC, I used a numpad to type those digits when I registered my email.

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I have no idea who thought this was a good idea. The trackpad is even off to the left to accommodate it. I'm not a fan of symmetry for symmetry's sake, but I do think some affordances for the human body might be a good idea. How do southpaws enjoy this keyboard setup? The ergonomics of laptops are bad enough without stuff like this.

As this thread is highlighting, in my experience there are two kinds of keyboard users. Those that love their numberpad, and those that never use it. There seems to rarely be people in the middle. On desktops it mostly doesn't matter because you can shift the keyboard over relative to the screen. On laptops this translates into people completely loathing or loving the laptop entirely :) Personally in the never use it…

I think a lot of people just haven't learned to touch-type the top number row. It was required for me to graduate to the 6th grade in 2002 to get at least 35 WPM / 90% accuracy on the typing test, and there were a bunch of numbers in there so using the type row naturally was an important part of this. I suspect people who have had similar experiences would never use the numpad. The context switch alone causes huge amounts of downtime.

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Why is it so hard to find laptops with ECC memory? Surely SO-DIMMs are just as susceptible to bitflips as regular Desktop DIMMs? Am I the only one to care about this?

I believe ECC is incredibly hard to get these days, but I could be out of touch. It certainly was last year. I haven’t seen it in many laptop offerings over the years, except perhaps Dell’s workstation-type offerings as an option. I’m curious if bitflips have been an issue for you in your experience. I don’t think I’ve encountered it, but I may have misattributed various bugs to software defects when they were in fac…

That's the problem with bitflips isn't it? It's only a possibility that can be considered when all other possibilities have been eliminated.

Whenever I've had non-ECC systems KPs/BSODs, it's possible that it might just be due to a bug, but in the back of my mind, I know there's always the possibility that it was due to a bitflip.

I feel psychologically uncomfortable working on a computer without ECC. I say ECC everything - Desktops, Laptops, and even smartphones.

This laptop proclaims a maximum of 64GB of RAM. If you do populate the slots with that much non-ECC RAM, that only further increases the surface area for random bitflips. What use is more RAM in a Linux laptop if it hasn't been made more reliable?

It's high time more laptops shipped with ECC. At least unregistered ECC, if not buffered ones.

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> smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one I'm in this minority! Why don't people use the top-row numbers!?!?

I would prefer a keyboard with out the Top row of numbers. Those are pretty much useless. So much so that I often use AHK to remap the top number row to be other functions.

Useless? Did you never learn how to touch type the numbers? Unless you do data entry the top row numbers are vastly quicker to get to than the number pad. You just reach a finger out and tap instead of moving your whole hand to the number pad.
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