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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

I use a tenkeyless on my desktop for exactly this reason. I could always shift a normal keyboard over to center it, but then my mouse is way off to the side.

if you put a trackpad to the left, the keyboard centers!

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I have the 4500u with the AMD Radeon RX Vega 6. I know it's not the latest architecture, but I've found it very capable for integrated graphics.

Can you write code and use a terminal and web, two displays? Can you use one big (4k?)

I don't have anything that supports 4k, but it has no problem connecting to anything via HDMI for two displays.

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1080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021

Isn't 1080p way better for battery life + its mostly indistinguishable in pixels? unless you are like, looking really close at the pixels? remember its 1080p inside a 15" monitor, not a 24" monitor a PC has.

I have good eyes and strongly prefer wqhd (2560x1440) over 1080p on my 14" Thinkpad, because I can just barely lay out two windows side by side without stupid websites like Gmail and JIRA getting too narrow, using my scale factor of choice. With 1080p, I turn off scaling and it just doesn't work. Full screen is too big, anything less than 2/3 is too narrow.

I can easily get 10 hours of battery life with light use, sometimes more (my system idles at around 5W unless I crank up the brightness to excessive levels).

4k (UHD) on a 14" display is excessive, in my opinion. I don't know what the power consumption is like, but at the scaling that I prefer, the layout ends up looking identical to my wqhd setup, only crisper. That would seem like a waste of power. Shame all the recent T-series Thinkpads have gone down this route.

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The specs page is a bit vague in places. Graphics AMD Radeon™ Graphics Storage 1 x M.2 SSD(SATA or PCIe NVMe). Up to 2TB total. In the configurator you have to pay attention to the read speeds to figure out if you are getting a SATA or PCIe drive. There is no indication for which brand of drive they are using. I have a few SSD controllers that are on my do not buy list, like anything made by Sandforce[1] after we los…

> There is no indication for which brand of drive they are using.

Yes, though they tend to use quality parts. My 2019 Darter Pro (darp5) was configured with a one of the NVMe options and shipped with a 'Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus'. No complaints on hardware quality or longevity so far.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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When typing, my right fingers always resting covering 4 arrow keys (provided it's a full-sized keyboard and arrow keys are separated from the rest with enough blank space). I use right fingers to reach Home/End/PgUp/PgDn buttons, INSERT/DEL on numeric. So it's quite useful to have them all close-by.

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Isn't 1080p way better for battery life + its mostly indistinguishable in pixels? unless you are like, looking really close at the pixels? remember its 1080p inside a 15" monitor, not a 24" monitor a PC has.

Very distinguishable after daily use of a MacBook Pro.

Yeah ok but this is a computer for hackers, not people who decide what shade grey to make text on a website.

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Southpaw here! I'd never buy a laptop without a number pad. The track pad being off-center is also good. Gaming? 78462 make for the best movement, and the number pad also has seven non-numerical buttons to bind things to. It also puts your index finger right next to lENTER, which is so useful for games that make use of it. Programming? Bind the buttons to commonly-used UNIX programs to make for a better IDE than an I…

Ok, so the conclusion is that the keyboard should be customizable.

No, the conclusion is that more buttons are always better. You can always customize a keyboard with minimal effort, unless you're on a really bad operating system, like any of the proprietary ones.

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Would ordering one of these with 32gb of ram lead to a significant decrease in battery performance?

Looks like the increase from 8GB to 32GB is going from ~3W to 12W of power consumption. The CPU likely consumes 30-45W depending on configuration. So it's not trivial, all things considered.

CPUS or SOCs these days can achieve quite low power states when in idle, like aingle digit watts.

Where do you get the 12w from?

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I have a 4k x1 Carbon and I can confirm that it's dumb. I would prefer the battery life but also the iGPU isn't powerful enough to run an external monitor while the display is using 4k so I have to scale it down for that anyway.

Maybe older generations weren't powerful enough, but I use the 7th gen (2019) to run a 2nd 4K external display and it works fine. 4K is a little overkill for 14", but I wouldn't consider a laptop below 3K. Definitionally not dumb.

What OS are you using? I installed PopOS onto mine and maybe something there is the issue. We have the same model and mine is maxed on specs but whenever I'm in 4k and using an external monitor it becomes unbearably slow.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Kinda interesting that this has a 49 Wh battery while the smaller and less powerful Lemur Pro has a 73 Wh one [1]. I have the 2020 Lemur Pro and love the ridiculously long battery life. I guess this is more of a plug it in most of the day machine vs. an ultralight.

[1] https://system76.com/laptops/lemur

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