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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#292"or higher than $10m in annual revenue" .. that isn't necessary a large company. And it says nothing of profit.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
What companies are offering $250k/year for engineers?
When you add up salary + benefits + workplace amenities + taxes + software licenses and whatnot, you get there mighty quick.
I don't know what you mean by taxes, my question is about 250k base, excluding bonuses, stock, and excluding the supposed monetary value of benefits/training/travel/home office whatnot
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#294It's shameful that this product was once free is now going to be charged, even if it's only for larger businesses. I wonder how sustainable it is for docker to be like other open source entities and rely on consistent donations from major corporations to rely on income. I also wonder if this will impede on docker adoption in the coming months. I guess time is the only one that can tell
Shameful? What's shameful about it? Software entitlement is outrageous. It's the only field where people expect professionals to keep doling out labor for free and then complain about the free stuff. If it isn't already abundantly clear to you: free software isn't sustainable. It's built on the backs of people who provide it for whatever reason they choose. This be a beggar so I can continue to have free stuff mental…
Shameful may have been a harsh word , disappointing is more appropriate.
The disappointing part is that a product that was once free and distributed in abundance is now requiring licensing starting immediately for small businesses. There is a transition gap but the policy is effective starting today. There were no added features of value, it was just a random change of price from nothing to something.
I think the new enterprise features that they are boasting about which is probably where they would end up making most of their money could have been suffice as this new policy is going to be difficult for them to enforce.
I'm sure docker desktop originally being free contributed to them being this popular. It made using containers for development super easy on windows and Mac.
Now that they have the huge user base, they're in a good position to dictate terms in their favour whether we like it or not.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#295So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…
What companies are offering $250k/year for engineers?
TCO ain't paycheck offer
Salary + Taxes (Payroll, etc) + Fringe (Healthcare, etc) + Dev licenses + Training/conferences = paycheck * (n > 1.5)
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…
This poster has clearly worked at the same kind of companies I have. Plenty of them would gladly burn 10x what it would cost to just buy the damn license on engineering man-hours switching something that's inferior but free. Because it doesn't show up as an expense on the annual budget. The concept of opportunity cost is completely lost on a lot of business leaders.
A big advantage of using free open source software is that the licensing prices will never increase because the company needs a new revenue stream to support its business model.
Docker Desktop was free, now it's $21/month, what will it cost next year when Docker needs more money?
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
>They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. Whoa, really? Is this written up somewhere? My first "WTF" with docker was in Fall 2015 when we dockerized our app and had it nicely set up so we could tell employees "run this command and the app Just Works" ... and then they introduced a breaking change to the format of docker compose…
They might be referring to this? https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/183
Thanks! Great HN discussion about it:
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#298So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…
True. Absolutely. But I guarantee you that this headline means that even junior "devops" engineers will have workable alternatives by tomorrow, and can tell you how to implement them with little friction.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#299So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…
I think you're correct about existing users at large corporations. Converting all those into paid accounts is a no-brainer. However, this will have a massive change on the competitive landscape. For companies that haven't yet adopted Docker, this is a huge red checkmark. This change is going to spur development on open source alternatives like nothing else could.
Nah. We're not 250 people. We use docker, and we won't stop/switch because of it.
This is such a good problem to have. I would love to cut Docker Inc. a check.
And we've basically moved over to garden (a k8s dev env) anyway. But we still use docker plenty.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#300We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…
I recently switched jobs and made sure I wasn't going to get a mac again just because of Docker Desktop. At my last job, we had an application that did some very strange things with the Docker API. It regularly crash or lock up the VM or hit subtle correctness bugs in networking.
I get the problem they are trying to solve is extremely difficult. I don't think I'd do much better trying to seamlessly ship a very Linux-centric API on Mac and Windows. They have my sympathy but that doesn't mean I'll use the product given a choice.