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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by nickjj »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #176
ben7799 wrote: post #147

We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

I've found Docker Desktop to be equally awful with Windows. You'd think they'd care about giant swathes of the market like that.

I've found it to be really good on Windows 10 Pro, even with 6 year old hardware.

I've been using it full time since 2018 and it's been nothing but really fast and as stable as you can ask for given how complex of a tool it is. It rarely crashes (maybe once every few months) and I've built thousands of images across many different tech stacks.

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adolph wrote: post #72
justincormack wrote: post #54

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Hey sorry about that, can you send me the ticket details justin @ docker.com and I can look into it.

Policy success is directly dependent on how we handle requests for exception. Granting exceptions undermines people’s sense of fairness, and sets a precedent precedent that undermines future policy. In environments where exceptions become normalized, leaders often find that issuing writs of exception—for policies they themselves have designed—starts to swallow up much of their time. Organizations spending significant…

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Post by eikenberry »

chrisseaton wrote: post #103
eikenberry wrote: post #92

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Docker desktop was never really free, as in free software, was it? If so, then it was always a proprietary app and they were always in control. IE. the clamp was always tight.

It was free of charge.

Which is why being free of charge isn't really the point of free software.

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Post by andyroid »

eptcyka wrote: post #151
gfiorav wrote: post #134

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Exactly. This makes sense. USD 21 per user/month + bulk discount is nothing. If companies want to roll their own they can, but most won't. Docker Desktop adds a lot of value if only by removing the hassle for quick os-agnostic development.

What is the value add for Docker Desktop? In a world where podman exists, what's the point of docker on dev machines anyway?

How about the fact that not all, or even most, dev machines run Linux, which is the only platform podman supports?

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Post by jrsj »

detaro wrote: post #74

Curious to see what that means for Windows containers. Microsoft is heavily recommending Docker there, but asking people to license another thing from a third party just to be able to use a feature on their expensive Windows licenses seems somewhat on the nose for them to push.

Maybe this is just a play to get Microsoft to acquire Docker lol

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Post by jeremyjh »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #215
namdnay wrote: post #158

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That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…

Fixing this has to be a great business opportunity. Surely someone is already working on it?

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Post by TheDong »

vesinisa wrote: post #239
TheDong wrote: post #206

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> all the others are also paid on Mac Hyperkit is open source software that works on macOS. https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/drivers/hyperkit/ Virtualbox is also a free (as in beer, and mostly libre) driver that works on all of windows/linux/macOS

Wait, so you're running your app on virtualized Linux inside Docker inside Linux inside Virtualbox inside native MacOS?

That's a reductive way to phrase it, but more or less yes.

It's arguable if the container is "virtualized linux" as they all share a single linux kernel. In reality there's one virtual machine, one linux kernel, and many linux userspaces (one per container), which is kinda the whole point of containers.

Over docker+linux, the virtual machine is the only additional layer.

fwiw, I personally don't use macOS, so I've only got virtualized linux (containers) run by docker running on linux running on my hardware.

Are you trying to make a point or something here? Like, yes, we've built layers of abstraction that include different types of virtualization (VMs and containers), and they compose. Is that all you're observing?

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Post by w7 »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #182
dharmab wrote: post #146

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WSL2 uses a full Linux VM running under HyperV.

WSL2 can get weird when you start trying to install software with low level virtualization and file system features. YMMV. I’d use it to install apps, but I wouldn’t be confident it’d work with Docker. Even if it did initially work, eventually you’ll hit a problem for which there is no googleable answer & good luck with that.

Current Docker on Windows detects if you have WSL2 or not, and gives you the option of just installing docker in WSL2 + configuring the Windows docker tools to manipulate the docker daemon running in WSL2.
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