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Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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>(Will evolution select against women getting higher education like Masters or PhD? Because that is one of the biggest predictors of reduced fertility.) Generally speaking evolution does not work on these time scales. Importantly, there is nothing that would make someone "genetically liberal" or "genetically conservative." You might be able to point to higher order traits which may indicate someone being conservative…

Actually there do appear to be some genes that tend to make people liberal or conservative. (Obviously genes aren't the only factor.) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-genes-of-left...

Likely the genes don't make you a liberal or conservative directly. Rather they do it in an indirect way. For instance if someone has a genetic disease that requires costly medical care then they will likely vote for socialized medical care. And of course having a dark skin color will also cause politcal leaning in an indirect way.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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it doesn't just affect the two people dating, it makes things awkward for everyone else.

my brother is dating a hardcore Trump supporter and its just super awkward during the holidays. i am cordial and respectful but it sucks feeling like you are walking on eggshells.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Christianity is pretty clear on pulling out the log in one's own eye. Since everybody alive is imperfect we shouldn't spend time criticizing others, beyond something like a friend offering advice or parent correcting a child, or protecting people from others. It also is clear it is not our place to judge others. That is the place of the Father (if Jewish) or the Son (if Christian).

Christianity as practiced is a different matter altogether. The ideal fails when it comes into contact with intrinsic human motivations such as desire for power, status, wealth e.t.c

> Christianity as practiced is a different matter altogether. The ideal fails when it comes into contact with intrinsic human motivations such as desire for power, status, wealth e.t.c

No one (sensible) said following it was easy.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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The American Enterprise Institute? That's the pro-corporate think tank which, among other highlights, has been involved in trying to deny climate change, including by paying scientists travel stipends to attend anti-IPCC events.

I agree, but this article is fairly dry. Conservatives today see anything that shuts them out of any process as alarming because they are traditionally the ones who have held the reins, and I suspect this is why it's an AEI article.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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post #62

it doesn't just affect the two people dating, it makes things awkward for everyone else. my brother is dating a hardcore Trump supporter and its just super awkward during the holidays. i am cordial and respectful but it sucks feeling like you are walking on eggshells.

The operative keyword there is "hardcore", and it applies for either political direction:

I guarantee lots of conservatives also walk on eggshells around hardcore leftists for the sake of cordiality, just as cordial lefts walk around eggshells near radical conservatives.

Naturally, cordial people's politics are harder to tell, especially near a radical.

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My 2 pennies: Living in a secular society where religion plays a reduced part on the individual, compared with 50 years ago. People now fill the gaps with other banners to fly and differentiate themselves with.

I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things. Meanwhile, in real life, everything is complex, few things are clearly good or bad, everything has advantages and disadvantages. People need a simple compass to distinguish good and bad. It seems the "politica…

> I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things.

The unfortunate thing is that this sums up the current state of religious education because we've had a generation that was poorly taught, who then taught the next generation. Now the generation we are raising is not even being taught - which might actually be a good thing since those that are interested will seek that knowledge for themselves instead of being turned off by poor educators.

But for Catholic moral theology for example, it's generally quite complex and exceedingly individual for all but the most black and white situations. What is a sin for me, may not be for you. "Sin" is also in itself a catchall for a whole subset of types of sin - and they're almost all relative to the individual because it will depend on the extent of your free choice, your understanding, and the gravity of the situation. People think it's the 10 Commandments, but that's really just the one thing someone who was poorly educated would remember.

And it's quite tragic because it's actually a whole journey that begins with natural law. Then slowly, over generations, you get small revelations of what God's moral teaching is until you reach a big moment with the revelation of Mosaic law (part of which are the 10 Commandments). Then generations later, you have Jesus drop by and quite literally say that because you were too hard of heart, that was the law revealed to you, but that now you are ready for a higher moral standard.

Even if one has no interest in Catholicism, it's fascinating to watch from the perspective of the evolution of a moral code over generations.

And then you have to consider that Catholic moral theology is just the foundation for Catholic social teaching, which is exactly what is taught to deal with the everyday complex issues where it may not even be a question of "is this a sin?", but rather, "how should I act?".

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it doesn't just affect the two people dating, it makes things awkward for everyone else. my brother is dating a hardcore Trump supporter and its just super awkward during the holidays. i am cordial and respectful but it sucks feeling like you are walking on eggshells.

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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Economic mobility is highest in the Mountain West region, not coastal California or NYC. https://www.businessinsider.com/income-inequality-upward-mob...

That has nothing to do with the policies of the region, and everything to do with the volume of taxing oil operations work that requires limited/no education and can pay 6 figures.

That largely comes down to out-of-control housing cost, which does owe to policy. Can't move up if you can't move in to where the economic growth is.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death.

This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially when they don't have a comfortable or civil argument for their intolerance.) In fact, I bet if you followed up with a bit of a Keynesian beauty contest, you'd find that they report that the tribe that they belong to is far more tolerant than the enemy tribe.

And for a fact pulled out of my ass, I bet if you checked the proportion of people who married outside of their race or religion 50 years ago, it would be should at least be more significant than race or (the mystical aspects, not the moral codes of) religion. It means that society is becoming more supportive of people trying to escape their tribal affiliations. 80 years ago, in the US, there were laws actively preventing this.

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