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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

Don't modern internet-connected TV boxes snitch on what people are watching? Surely we don't need a sampling anymore? Just thinking that the elderly population is probably the least likely to use those boxes (though I am not even sure of that), whereas they constitute the (dying) core of traditional TV viewership.

> Don't modern internet-connected TV boxes snitch on what people are watching?

Yes, which is why I will never own one.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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"large scale AdWords fraud." Be carefull - fraud is a crime. But I am under no obligation to provide AdWords any data, let alone true and reliable data. Considering the tracking and spying, and my legitimate interest in privacy, there is no room for fraud argument here. PS: this would be probably a Hoax

Fraud would involve financially benefiting from it - if you don't benefit I don't think it would count as fraud in most countries.

You may want to read the CFAA and report back.

Spoiler alert, it doesn’t involve your intentions or money.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Forgive the questions, but you seem to be a good person to ask.. How does Blokada actually work? Its FAQ claims it: > prevents apps and browsers installed on your device from sending your private data (known as tracking fingerprints) to the Internet. Is it doing some kind of packet inspection? As a secondary layer of blocking I use DNS66 which intercepts DNS requests and fails them for blacklisted domains, by install…

> prevents apps and browsers installed on your device from sending your private data (known as tracking fingerprints) to the Internet. For now, Blokada's utility is limited to DNS-based content blocking. It cannot and does not prevent most forms of fingerprinting. > Is it doing some kind of packet inspection? Yes, only DNS packet inspection, but even for the only thing it does, it is clumsy: It leaks DNS requests; th…

Github link for Nebulo appears wrong: is this the correct one?

https://github.com/Ch4t4r/Nebulo

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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I am amazed at how non-techy people use the internet. I teach college and I will sometimes have students go to some web site. I am amazed at how few use adblocking and just accept all the ads and popups and overlays and crap. Even more than that, I will see them using something like google docs and google will put an overlay for some new feature and they don't click the X to close it. They just type away with that ov…

You all but certainly overestimate typical technological literacy.

About 5% of computer users have "advanced" literacy, defined as "Some navigation across pages and applications is required to solve the problem. The use of tools (e.g. a sort function) is required to make progress towards the solution. The task may involve multiple steps and operators. The goal of the problem may have to be defined by the respondent, and the criteria to be met may or may not be explicit"

https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/106841164116074208

Even just general literacy and numeracy are ... far lower than you'd expect: https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp

An OECD 20-country survey gives the 5% "advanced" technological literacy statistic: http://dx.doi.org/10.1787/9789264258051-en

Jacob Nielsen discussed that at the time: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/

This is a substantial aspect of my "Tyranny of the Minimum Viable User": https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/69wk8y/the_tyr...

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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There is a shortcut to remember this: 'e.g.' for 'example given' (and therefore, 'i.e.' for 'that is'). ('E.g.' doesn't really mean 'example given' in English - it means 'exempli gratia' in Latin. But it's a useful mnemonic.)

I also use "in essence" for "i.e." even though it's actually 'id est' in Latin.

In my mind, when I see i.e., i think "in other words", and when I see e.g., I think "for example"

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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I am amazed at how non-techy people use the internet. I teach college and I will sometimes have students go to some web site. I am amazed at how few use adblocking and just accept all the ads and popups and overlays and crap. Even more than that, I will see them using something like google docs and google will put an overlay for some new feature and they don't click the X to close it. They just type away with that ov…

Bear in mind that many younger people grew up with mobile computing first. So they're not as familiar with the "power user" desktop computing behaviors us older people have developed.

Not dismissing that Google Docs overlay may be explained by any of the following: (a) learned behavior from mobile computing that very few things are configurable (mobile apps tend to have far fewer preferences on how things are displayed; (b) pop ups on mobile often don't close when clicked; and (c) they are used to operating with very tight screen real-estate. I think (c) is most likely.

As someone brought up on desktop computing, I fight to eliminate anything that needlessly wastes screen real-estate such as bloated window chrome. But I think someone brought up on small screens might actually feel agitated by "too much" space.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

I don't block ads. I remember what the internet was about to become before ads stepped in. Everything of value was going to be pull behind paywalls. Let's say everyone get their wish and ads go away. Everything will require a purchase. Those purchases are logged to a real name/address. You end up with bigger privacy leaks. People will still be tracking you the way they are now. And at the credit card level. As an adu…

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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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post #439

There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

I don't block ads. I remember what the internet was about to become before ads stepped in. Everything of value was going to be pull behind paywalls. Let's say everyone get their wish and ads go away. Everything will require a purchase. Those purchases are logged to a real name/address. You end up with bigger privacy leaks. People will still be tracking you the way they are now. And at the credit card level. As an adu…

> Let's say everyone get their wish and ads go away. Everything will require a purchase.

No, it won't. There was plenty of high quality stuff on the internet before ads or payment was even possible, and there's plenty of high quality stuff that don't track you or require payment right now. There's no reason to think that would all evaporate.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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> prevents apps and browsers installed on your device from sending your private data (known as tracking fingerprints) to the Internet. For now, Blokada's utility is limited to DNS-based content blocking. It cannot and does not prevent most forms of fingerprinting. > Is it doing some kind of packet inspection? Yes, only DNS packet inspection, but even for the only thing it does, it is clumsy: It leaks DNS requests; th…

Would you mind to suggest any alternative to Blokada? Thanks!

https://github.com/offa/android-foss#-ad-blocker and https://github.com/offa/android-foss#-firewall

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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I feel like most on the producer side are coming at this from a totally wrong angle. A better web isn't a web in which content is monetized in a different way. Consumers don't want to pay because most content on the web is not worth paying for. Not with ads, not with micropayments, not with anything. There's the saying about five web sites consisting of screenshots of the other four, but even with news, the vast bulk…

> If content producers are willing to put in the hard work of developing a reputation for quality output slowly, disseminated through trusted sources, surely augmented by some form of paid marketing but not by just spamming the web with links in the hopes that they can get clicks and then use dark patterns to keep people on the site long enough to monetize 20 seconds of their eyeball time, then maybe they can get peo…

This is a complicated phenomenon and I can't possibly do justice to the complexity in the space of a link aggregation comment. Arguably, the truth of that very statement is part of the problem here. Our attention spans have shortened. When I was 8 and wanted to learn about something, I'd gladly dive into the library and read thousands of pages uninterrupted for hours a day. Now I'm here, skimming thousands of comments to try and figure out which seem interesting enough to make the link itself worth visiting, then possibly actually visiting it or possibly just putting in a tab I later close when I realize I'll never get to it.

Without any sort of gate to publishing, we're all inundated with information overload. So yeah, print media got their lunch eaten for many reasons, including being too slow to pivot to digital delivery at all, but also with the payment model. Outsourcing content curation to Hacker News or the people you follow on Facebook is free. I used to read the LA Times for two hours every single morning when I was in middle school and high school. Do I trust Hacker News more than I trust the LA Times editorial board today? Do I trust the LA Times more but not $6 a month more or whatever they're charging now? I have no idea, but I've changed my information consumption habits anyway.

At least part of the issue is the nature of news itself. Events happen in the world. Someone out there finds out and reports it to others. Eventually, it reaches me. It used to be that people being paid by the LA Times had a level of unique access both to the sources of information and to dissemination channels I could readily access, and that was worth paying for. Today, that no longer seems to be the case. A thousand different people are going to post the same information to a thousand different sources at exactly the same time. Which of those thousands of people deserves to be compensated? If you just split whatever the salary of an LA Times reporter used to be a thousand different ways, that isn't enough to make it into a viable profession.

Maybe information about important events in the world has become a public good in a world with such a low bar to publishing. We can try to invent technical means of preventing access and then charging for it, but it can never possibly be enough to actually cover the costs of all of the different people out there trying to publish, not with micropayments, not with subscriptions, not with anything. Maybe we need to just publicly fund some small number of professionals doing this for a living and anyone else that wants to try can do it without the expectation they'll ever be compensated for it. Expecting high-quality fact-based reporting paid for by consumers may just not be possible any more.

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