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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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No it is not the same issue. Airbnb doesn't have a say if I make arrangements of my own with the host. We lose the benefits and security provided by airbnb if we think that airbnb's cut is unjustified. I only wish we (users and devs) could do that on Ios.

Actually, Airbnb does have strict anti-steering rules just like Apple and Google do. Several lines from their off-platform policy: > In order to protect our community and business, the following behaviors are prohibited: > Taking people off of the Airbnb platform for new, partial, or future bookings > Contacting potential guests prior to booking on Airbnb to move the booking off of Airbnb (ex: offering discounts to b…

I can switch to Vrbo or even just Craigslist.

I don't lose out on reaching ~100% of customers, because Apple and Google control access to effectively 100% of customers and act like a duopoly.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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I'm wondering how this will eventually play out if most companies start requiring Apple/Google to allow third-party apps to use their own payment system. The commission fee that Apple charges, 30% is partially to cover operating/marketing etc. Obviously, Apple makes a good profit off the App Store these days, even though Jobs said he'd be happy if it was break even at best. Here's an analogy I've been thinking on abo…

> The commission fee that Apple charges, 30% is partially to cover operating/marketing etc. Then by all means, please charge me separately for these things. Because I don’t need them. Apple doesn’t do marketing for me, never promoted my app. People find my app through my own marketing channels. Charge me roughly 2 % for In App Purchases just like Stripe and PayPal. Charge me a traffic fee for whatever download traffi…

> Then by all means, please charge me separately for these things. Because I don’t need them. Apple doesn’t do marketing for me, never promoted my app. People find my app through my own marketing channels.

This, maybe it was different in the early days but they do literally nothing to help you market your app until you've already driven enough traffic to it yourself for them to take notice.

If you do get featured you get an email indicating that you might get featured and need to design and submit app store banner artwork with a whole list of things that you're not allowed to display.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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“Allow other payment platforms” is not the same as “Demand devs to support them all”, I don’t know between which lines you must have read it.

Sure, You can't have platform fragmentation costs if you don't support platforms. You only support them if you want to reach the customers. That's exactly the same as not supporting Android or iOS or not getting into App Development in first place.

So, for example, if the bulk of the customers in Korea might be using Samsung Pay, you might just want to keep integrating with that instead of also having to provide Apple mechanisms, and maybe restructure your price since Apple imposes its tax?

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> I’m guessing though that the South Korean market is be significant enough for Apple and Google to not just pull out it’s business from South Korea and call it a day. I think that's right. The next step would be for a large enough market to have a similar law, and then they'll just have that as their policy globally. That probably means EU or US.

> That probably means EU or US. Or the UK, which has a larger economy than South Korea. Although going after big tech is not, as far as I know, on the radar of the UK government.

Could things change if the Tories were to lose power?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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What is stopping the governments from changing the laws to make it illegal? I do not understand the concept of expecting an entity to pay taxes they are not liable for paying.

The issue is that the governments offering tax evasion to corporations are smaller countries that use their evasion schemes as a competitive advantage against larger countries. The incentive for a big country like the US is to make these companies pay their domestically accrued taxes, but the incentive for a small country like Ireland is to attract these companies to come open offices and do business locally at all.…

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Unpopular opinion: I like it the way it is now, from end user’s perspective. I don’t want to share my payment info with apps. I like all being in one place and handled by Apple. I’d be even ok eating up the difference, if it meant it stays the same.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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By migrating from Apple's 30% fee to a payment processor that charges only 3%, your revenue would increase by 38.6%. The only way that additional revenue would not make up for your development cost is if your revenue were low in the first place. There are plenty of developers who would gladly integrate another payment API for the additional revenue.

My revenue wouldn't necessarily increase(unless maybe price reduction drives the sales enough), my costs due to Apple's commission will decrees and my development and legal costs will increase.

Just to be clear, by "revenue", I'm referring to revenue after Apple's or the payment processor's cut.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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I hope India too follows suit. Our government is notorious for it's heavy handed laws on tech startups (read twitter, paypal, chinese apps, etc) maybe this time it could be actually be for some good.

Unlikely. Indian market is the furthest thing possible from a free market.

With Google's immense investments in Jio, the company of Ambani, it is very unlikely. Ambani is in entente with Modi, the Prime Minister.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Finally. This is exactly how regulators should respond to the market abuse of these technology monopolies. If they wanted to head this off all they had to do was pay a reasonable amount of tax in the country where the revenue was generated and offer a reasonable (single percentage) fee for facilitating payments. They chose not to so they reap what they sow

one of the first regulations that make sense: more free market. As long as there are regulators with a lot of power there will be incentive to corruption anyway. I like free competition. Something that Google and Apple were trying to prevent. But putting all in the hands of an ever-increasing state is not the way to go either. Though I gree with the decision.

So when you have Apple and Google (two gorillas) how do you imagine "free competition" happening without state intervention?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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It’s not usual for news on my country to be on top of HN. Very unexpected. I’m guessing though that the South Korean market is be significant enough for Apple and Google to not just pull out it’s business from South Korea and call it a day. I guess this is, in some kind, a victory against the huge companies. But… personally I do find sad that this would be detrimental to South Korean app UX. Stripe isn’t a thing here…

"significant enough for Apple and Google to not just pull out it’s business from South Korea and call it a day."

I always found this line of argument disingenious and disturbing.

Disingenious because it doesn't happen historically, so it sounds like a tired threat

Disturbing - are we saying we would rather kneecap our democratic institutions, right or wrong, than live without iPhones?

We'd die to defend our lands and laws from demands of foreign governments, but fold to demands of foreign megacorps?

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