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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by seneca » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #16

adrianb wrote: post #6

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I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things. Meanwhile, in real life, everything is complex, few things are clearly good or bad, everything has advantages and disadvantages. People need a simple compass to distinguish good and bad. It seems the "politica…

That is the narrative of the religious but most don't go to learn about what they are doing wrong. They go to find out what other people are doing wrong so they can feel superior and rail against the sin of others. Religion has always been a weapon, it is just easier to wield now.

> That is the narrative of the religious but most don't go to learn about what they are doing wrong. They go to find out what other people are doing wrong so they can feel superior and rail against the sin of others.

And this is the narrative of the Extremely Online Atheist. Of the hundreds of religious people I know (though I'm not myself), maybe two fit that description. You are noticing outliers and assuming they represent the entire group.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by andrew_ » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

AmericanChopper wrote: post #18

andrew_ wrote: post #11

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It's curious that you see a spectrum in the left, but not in the right. That might suggest bias, but I'd like to give you the benefit of doubt. There is no universal conservative position, nor are all conservatives reactionary. Just as those far to the left have strayed from classical liberalism, those far to the right have strayed from classical conservatism. With the rampant labeling and tribalism so popular these…

I’m always a bit entertained by people who claim they want to express a non-biased view of partisan dynamics, and then proceed to express something that is a perfect representation of the fundamental attribution error. Personally I think the primary contention that exists between the dogma of the left and the right is just the contention between collectivism and individualism. But outliers aside, I don’t think you en…

> is just the contention between collectivism and individualism

Yes.

> I’m always a bit entertained by people who claim they want to express a non-biased view of partisan dynamics, and then proceed to express something that is a perfect representation of the fundamental attribution error.

Were you commenting on the parent to my reply, or to my reply specifically? Genuine curiosity.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by everdrive » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

neverywhere wrote: post #15

everdrive wrote: post #14

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>(Will evolution select against women getting higher education like Masters or PhD? Because that is one of the biggest predictors of reduced fertility.) Generally speaking evolution does not work on these time scales. Importantly, there is nothing that would make someone "genetically liberal" or "genetically conservative." You might be able to point to higher order traits which may indicate someone being conservative…

Religions have a longer time span and correlate with conservatives. Many religions actually shed their members who have liberal views. Thus religions tend to conserve conservatives leaning individuals. So if religion was not part of the conservative-liberal divide I would buy your argument but it is part of it and it is long running.

200 years ago nearly the entire country was Christian, but the entire country did not hold the same political beliefs. Protestant vs. Catholic may have been a more pressing divide back then. And how would your argument fare in say ... 2,000-4,000 BC middle east? Each city has its own deity, perhaps part of a pantheon, perhaps not? Are the followers of Chemosh more or less conservative than the followers of Anat? Who are the irreligious liberals in this time period?

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

andrew_ wrote: post #11

larksimian wrote: post #5

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'Liberal' and 'conservative' are just labels that no longer describe the same ideologies as in the past. 19th C liberals were sort of like modern day libertarians, but in the context of the European monarchies at the time which were explicitly oppressive. 20th century progressives with their universal social programs were social democrats. Modern day liberals are split between 'centrist' neo-liberals and more hardcor…

It's curious that you see a spectrum in the left, but not in the right. That might suggest bias, but I'd like to give you the benefit of doubt. There is no universal conservative position, nor are all conservatives reactionary. Just as those far to the left have strayed from classical liberalism, those far to the right have strayed from classical conservatism. With the rampant labeling and tribalism so popular these…

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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by ShrigmaMale » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:24 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #16

adrianb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things. Meanwhile, in real life, everything is complex, few things are clearly good or bad, everything has advantages and disadvantages. People need a simple compass to distinguish good and bad. It seems the "politica…

That is the narrative of the religious but most don't go to learn about what they are doing wrong. They go to find out what other people are doing wrong so they can feel superior and rail against the sin of others. Religion has always been a weapon, it is just easier to wield now.

Christianity is pretty clear on pulling out the log in one's own eye. Since everybody alive is imperfect we shouldn't spend time criticizing others, beyond something like a friend offering advice or parent correcting a child, or protecting people from others. It also is clear it is not our place to judge others. That is the place of the Father (if Jewish) or the Son (if Christian).

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:25 PM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #3

My 2 pennies: Living in a secular society where religion plays a reduced part on the individual, compared with 50 years ago. People now fill the gaps with other banners to fly and differentiate themselves with.

This doesn't make much sense. Especially since 50 years ago, your race mattered infinitely more than whatever religion or denomination you belonged to.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by AmericanChopper » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

andrew_ wrote: post #22

AmericanChopper wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m always a bit entertained by people who claim they want to express a non-biased view of partisan dynamics, and then proceed to express something that is a perfect representation of the fundamental attribution error. Personally I think the primary contention that exists between the dogma of the left and the right is just the contention between collectivism and individualism. But outliers aside, I don’t think you en…

> is just the contention between collectivism and individualism Yes. > I’m always a bit entertained by people who claim they want to express a non-biased view of partisan dynamics, and then proceed to express something that is a perfect representation of the fundamental attribution error. Were you commenting on the parent to my reply, or to my reply specifically? Genuine curiosity.

Sorry for not being clear, I think the error is in the comment above yours. I think your comment is very level headed.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by inglor_cz » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:30 PM UTC

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #26

mothsonasloth wrote: post #3

My 2 pennies: Living in a secular society where religion plays a reduced part on the individual, compared with 50 years ago. People now fill the gaps with other banners to fly and differentiate themselves with.

This doesn't make much sense. Especially since 50 years ago, your race mattered infinitely more than whatever religion or denomination you belonged to.

There was a lot of all-white communities in the USA back then, though. In those, people would search for other ways to think less of their neighbors.

AFAIK Kennedy as the first Catholic president was considered somewhat of an outsider.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by nostrademons » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:30 PM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #3

My 2 pennies: Living in a secular society where religion plays a reduced part on the individual, compared with 50 years ago. People now fill the gaps with other banners to fly and differentiate themselves with.

Also don't forget the role of economic growth & opportunity. America is a country where millions of immigrants have put aside their cultural differences for the pursuit of money.

Note that in areas where there is still a reasonable chance of getting rich - coastal California, for example, or NYC - people are still willing to put aside their differences to get rich. At least among the people who are actually getting rich. Chinatown or the Sunset in SF have all sorts of AAPI hate crimes, while 50 miles south in Cupertino, Chinese, Indians, and white people work side-by-side in cube farms while enjoying their Apple stock.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by rejectedandsad » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 1:31 PM UTC

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #26

mothsonasloth wrote: post #3

My 2 pennies: Living in a secular society where religion plays a reduced part on the individual, compared with 50 years ago. People now fill the gaps with other banners to fly and differentiate themselves with.

This doesn't make much sense. Especially since 50 years ago, your race mattered infinitely more than whatever religion or denomination you belonged to.

I think I recall your name from Reddit.

But while race definitely mattered (and more), religion mattered in-race as well. Same thing for casteism in India. Religion matters, but so does caste even within Hinduism.