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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by Igelau »

Closi wrote: post #242
turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

> They faked the ratings away from stupid trash TV towards some higher quality stuff, documentaries, culture, ... Obviously in the movie then the country saw a renaissance, everyone got smarter, yadda yadda, you get it. > I feel like this is similar. All tech savvy people block ads and analytics and at least the known tricks they use against us. So the internet only tracks the defenseless people and is then built to…

Your female friend should probably take a pregnancy test. During my wife's first pregnancy, my Kindle started displaying diaper ads within days.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

hkai wrote: post #104
GekkePrutser wrote: post #35

This is good to hear. I didn't think the percentages would be that high. "Data driven design" is kinda overrated anyway. It's better to actually listen to your users. Stats don't show what people think, and they're often tweaked to show what people want to see.

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I think both are important.

Personally I hate analytics because it makes my equipment work against me, or at least for someone else. Consider that there are websites and apps that are so overloaded with js and ads, that they will run sluggishly on anything but the latest phones and laptops. I would rather not allow that.

I have no problem with static ads. I love watching creative ads on TV during a sports broadcast. Instagram ads are another example of advertising done well. Minimal distraction from the content, no slowdowns, easily dismissible.

As for censorship, I agree that is a more important issue. But we can focus on more than one issue at a time. I will take a win on either front.

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Post by wiether »

sodality2 wrote: post #190
qualudeheart wrote: post #119

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I’m still surprised more apps don’t have inbuilt marketplaces and then take a cut of payments. Reddit could do this. Users sell to each other through an Etsy like interface. Reddit takes 5% of each transaction. This solves Reddits existing inability to monetize through ads as successfully as their major competitors.

What would be sold on a Reddit market?

Karma and insults ?

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Post by kasabali »

cookie_monsta wrote: post #226
jsymolon wrote: post #171

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> overwhelming response here was negative, presupposing greed and lack of privacy of everyone Because the history of other platforms which have done this, shows that ads didn't go away. Cable TV, full of ads. Satellite Radio, not too bad but still has ads.

But then again Netflix et al, zero ads Spotify premium, zero ads I think it's just a question of coming up with the right model. Assuming that failed examples are the rule isn't all that useful

Some Netflix originals have a lot of product placement

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Post by Havoc »

tsjq wrote: post #219
daitangio wrote: post #146

PiHole is my preferred solution. I have come with some insights here: https://gioorgi.com/2020/pihole-lockdown/ Give it a try! https://pi-hole.net/

is there a way to run this pi-hole on cloud so, multiple users can use it , and also while using mobile data ? also, for those who do not want to spend on / does knot know to fiddle with RPi.

This should only be done in combination with a VPN. Open DNS points are not generally recommended

Check out nextdns instead. It can likely do what you had in mind

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_arvin wrote: post #38

Can confirm, part of the 58% who block all the ads. Using a raspberry pi as a pi-hole, works great. Getting 100% blockage [0] on this adblock test [1]. [0] https://i.imgur.com/7hdaHmh.png [1] https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html Haven't seen an ad in months. (kidding)

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Post by zibzab »

Lev1a wrote: post #233
zibzab wrote: post #213

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And uMatirx, but Firefox put stop to that one.

Pretty sure Firefox did no such thing, instead IIRC the developer (gorhill) of both addons (uMatrix and uBO) realized that uMatrix was pretty much redundant given the options available in uBO and thus archived uMatrix.

We had a HN discussion where users brought up situations where uB could not replace uM.

IMO what really killed uM was major API changes by chrome and Firefox.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

cookie_monsta wrote: post #226
jsymolon wrote: post #171

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> overwhelming response here was negative, presupposing greed and lack of privacy of everyone Because the history of other platforms which have done this, shows that ads didn't go away. Cable TV, full of ads. Satellite Radio, not too bad but still has ads.

But then again Netflix et al, zero ads Spotify premium, zero ads I think it's just a question of coming up with the right model. Assuming that failed examples are the rule isn't all that useful

For now, Netflix and Spotify have no ads. I have a feeling that if these companies feel the pinch during a bad quarter or two, they will 100% start introducing ads. That's how business works, they want to maximize revenue. TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads.

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Post by justanotherguy0 »

yissp wrote: post #239
conradfr wrote: post #231

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You know a connected TV / set-top box is on a channel but you don't know how many / which persons in the house is in front of it.

How long until they start putting cameras in them and doing facial recognition?

Just use the microphone in the smart tv. That's what the CIA does: https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.wa...

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Post by dschooh »

scrollaway wrote: post #96
dschooh wrote: post #70

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> By nature it won't filter out bots, however. I have two questions about this: - Since you know they are bots, why couldn't you filter them? - On the other hand, couldn't there be bots that run JavaScript which would be tracked client-side?

> Since you know they are bots, why couldn't you filter them? A decent amount can be filtered by UA. This is inconvenient because UA is a very large piece to log and index on, so you need to do UA processing to do anything useful with it and … well by that point it just becomes a chore and I suspect there's good logging services that do this better than you'd spend your time doing yourself. > On the other hand, could…

> well by that point it just becomes a chore and I suspect there's good logging services that do this better than you'd spend your time doing yourself.

Which is why the OP suggested using tools like goaccess.

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