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Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Australians have got it too good to care about this sort of thing. Like western society and climate change, taking any kind of action gets in the way of enjoying the fucking weekend; don't be such a fucking downer. More sunshine I say! Nonsense. The problem is that the minority parties who oppose overreach like this are treated as dirty (Liberal Democratic Party) and the major parties all support crap like this. An…

For the record, the Greens are the only major party to oppose this overreach. (Major in the sense that they are the 3rd largest party outside of the ALP and the Liberal parties, and larger than the National party.[*]) From the article: Green Senator Lidia Thorpe described the bill as “terribly flawed” and “problematic”, cited comments in the Richardson review that existing powers were adequate, and criticised the lac…

The Greens do not support civil liberties. Opposing a single piece of the puzzle (digital surveillance, for now) doesn't change the ongoing assaults that the Greens party has been carrying out since their inception. The whole coal dependence Australia has is a direct consequence of the Greens rejecting alternatives like nuclear[0].

The entire political position of the Greens starts and stops at the 'think of the children' line and regularly makes deals with the major parties even though they have hostile positions. This is most clearly demonstrated in the ongoing attacks on trivial things like recreational fishing and the extremist positions the Greens takes on firearms ownership. Keeping in mind that this position on firearms includes supporting draconian-level surveillance powers being given to police, which essentially vetos their at-face position against digital surveillance today.

Some of their other positions include wanting to tax fast food, additional taxes on alcohol and forceful reacquisition of private service providers. This goes as far as giving the UN powers over Australian legislation and directly reducing Australia's sovereignty -- even for military defence[1]. Again -- hardly interested in civil liberties.

[0] https://greens.org.au/policies/nuclear-and-uranium

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-28/lapkin---the-greens27...

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will you still abandon your Austrialian citizenship if you find out that no other first-world country meets your standards? I doubt it.

A typically purile argument - "the other kids are doing it, why can't Australians also do it?" Just: no. There are plenty of states that are still fighting this totalitarian-authoritarian effort. Austrian police can't modify peoples data online for their purposes.

>>> There are plenty of states that are still fighting this totalitarian-authoritarian effort.

Curious as to what states you believe those to be?

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #4

FTA: “…agencies can take control of a person’s online account to gather evidence about serious offences without consent, as well as add , copy, delete or alter material to disrupt criminal activity and collect intelligence from online networks.” (emphasis added) How is adding or altering data different than planting evidence?

This presumably does add a defense if you are ever dragged in front of a court accused of posting fruity things through your own account. You can argue that since government agencies have the power to do that as well now, it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt that you did it.

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #48

Thousands of police and military on the streets maintaining "order". People essentially under house arrest and not allowed to assemble or travel. And now this.

We prevented thousands of deaths, perhaps tens of thousands, with lockdowns. And many more serious illnesses. It was and is still worth it.

You are a complete fool

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

#65
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A typically purile argument - "the other kids are doing it, why can't Australians also do it?" Just: no. There are plenty of states that are still fighting this totalitarian-authoritarian effort. Austrian police can't modify peoples data online for their purposes.

>>> There are plenty of states that are still fighting this totalitarian-authoritarian effort. Curious as to what states you believe those to be?

Germany. Austria.

The memory of the Stasi is still quite fresh in these societies collective consciousness.

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #48

Thousands of police and military on the streets maintaining "order". People essentially under house arrest and not allowed to assemble or travel. And now this.

We prevented thousands of deaths, perhaps tens of thousands, with lockdowns. And many more serious illnesses. It was and is still worth it.

You are a complete and utter fool.

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #26

FTA: "She pointed to Operation Ironside, the huge ANoM bust earlier this year that resulted in the arrests of more than 290 people, as a reason for the need for the new powers." So a successful police operation NOW is evidence that more powers are necessary? What kind of logic is that?

Now they can start their investigation of a suspected criminal element in the Labour Party and any other annoying opposition. These powers are a ruling government’s dream, let alone their financial master’s.

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #53

Wow. I don't know how other Aussies feel about this, but to me this is so atrocious I just had to join HN to discuss it. This is sufficient motivation to abandon my Australian citizenship entirely and move to a country that is not dominated by totalitarian-authoritarian policies designed to impede the progress of a free and open society. This policy is clearly designed to make sure another Assange-type situation does…

Australia really went off the deep end now in 2021. Horrible mentality with cops who refuse to give their names going around knocking on doors asking if people know about protests being formed. What the actual fuck.

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #4

FTA: “…agencies can take control of a person’s online account to gather evidence about serious offences without consent, as well as add , copy, delete or alter material to disrupt criminal activity and collect intelligence from online networks.” (emphasis added) How is adding or altering data different than planting evidence?

I was about to post the same extract and ask a slightly different question: Does this break the chain of trust of evidence? How can any evidence, therefore, be admissible? Digital / electronic evidence has always been on a bit of a shaky foundation, but this crumbles it to pieces.

>> How is adding or altering data different than planting evidence?

> Does this break the chain of trust of evidence? How can any evidence, therefore, be admissible?

Just as advocatus diaboli: If you add a message to a bigger scale drug supplier in the name of one client, you could request an earlier delivery to some location of your choice. This would add content, but not plant any evidence - as the evidence would be the supplier handing you "the keys to the truck". I know nothing about australian law, but i am tempted to think that courts could burn serious time on such a case.

Of course this is dangerous b.s. to have in legislation.

Re: Australian Police get online account takeover, data disruption powers

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post #53

Wow. I don't know how other Aussies feel about this, but to me this is so atrocious I just had to join HN to discuss it. This is sufficient motivation to abandon my Australian citizenship entirely and move to a country that is not dominated by totalitarian-authoritarian policies designed to impede the progress of a free and open society. This policy is clearly designed to make sure another Assange-type situation does…

If you follow the NSW and Vic twitter feed for the daily COVID numbers, your post reads exactly like those bots that say something along the lines of "that's it, I'm denouncing my citizenship".

It gets a bit boring, and if you're doing this from a new, green, account, I'm going to assume you're an antagonist account trying to create division within the discussion.

These discussions aren't new, and they started with the AABill, and they've been discussed here for a while now - so why only now decide to "abandon my citizenship"?

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