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Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #105

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You need to examine the visual history of street photography much better if this is the only silly summary you can come up with about generations of work done with all sorts of interesting concepts and themes. What an absurd, smarmy and parochial judgement of such a broad photographic field.

Are you a woman? Who has been snooped on by men with zoom lenses they've made in their shed?

And how exactly is that specific context relevant to the rest of my point? Is this site saturated by people with null artistic appreciation outside an obsession with highly specific criticisms of very particular things?

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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I'd argue that this started earlier, with the snapshot aesthetic pioneered by street photographers like Garry Winogrand and Daido Moriyama who often used wide <28mm lenses. The human field of vision is pretty wide at 120º, which equates to a ~12mm; wider is closer to what we "authentically" see. Then there's the obvious technical limitation of always being able to digitally zoom in but never out.

Shorter focal lengths have other purposes in street photography, where composing shots in crowded areas can be difficult or impossible with longer lenses like 85mm. In terms of which focal lengths produce perspectives that make the most sense to our eyes, people usually point towards 35-50mm lenses. Supposedly the formula is something like "focal length = diagonal measurement of the format".

I'm well-versed on the benefits of shorter lenses.

Look through a "normal" lens (~42mm equiv) and you'll realize that it's actually nowhere near our field of vision (FOV), peripheral included. What a normal lens does is take a very narrow slice of our FOV and represent it neatly and proportionally, i.e. given two similarly framed portraits, a 40mm would make your nose look "normal" whereas a 28mm would make it look larger [1]. The shorter focal length dramatizes while also being closer to what we actually see; this wide perspective is why the two most venerable "street" cameras, the Ricoh GR and Leica Q, have fixed 28mm lenses.

[1] https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/3/1/17059566/pla...

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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I have to guess a little at what you mean. My guess is the word "fix", having only been tangentially involved with photography are these the chemicals that we now call "fixer"?

Fixer is a class of chemicals used in wet photography to reduce impermanent, light-sensitive silver ions to permanent metallic silver.

That is actually done by the developer. The fixer washes away the remaining unexposed silver ions that were not reduced to metallic silver by the developer.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

#125
post #105

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Are you a woman? Who has been snooped on by men with zoom lenses they've made in their shed?

And how exactly is that specific context relevant to the rest of my point? Is this site saturated by people with null artistic appreciation outside an obsession with highly specific criticisms of very particular things?

It's specific to the context of discussing Miroslav Tichý's art, which is what this thread is about. Street photography is great, not sure where you mistook me

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #11

Talking about what good and bad means in photography always reminds me of Miroslav Tichý, who said "if you want to be famous, you must do something more badly than anybody in the entire world", and took terrible but strangely brilliant photos with homemade cameras: https://flashbak.com/photographs-by-the-perverted-flaneur-mi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Tich%C3%BD

Kind of taken aback by all the people saying these are just shitty photos. I think they are gorgeous... Do y'all think Lo-fi music is just shitty music too? I guess its a little unsurprising coming from the usual HN crowd lmao.

> Do y'all think Lo-fi music is just shitty music too?

Yes.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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The business of photography is more marketing than craft these days. Even professional photography is a commodity. There are some people that stretch the art of photography, but they are more digital artists than photographers. They take a lot of the creativity into the post-processing and Photoshop stage. Most professional photography these days is just right-place-right-time and tweaking in Lightroom.

It's worth noting that even quite famous photographers from before the digital era would spend a LOT of time doing post-processing in the darkroom. I'm thinking specifically of Ansel Adams, who famously said “You don't take a photograph, you make it.” Of course darkroom tools had to be supplemented with special techniques and filters applied at the time of exposure. Digital photography is orders of magnitude easier.

Great quote. I meant to imply that post-processing is a plus. A good percentage of people still think post-processing is cheating (i.e., #nofilter) but it's where the creativity actually comes into play.

The hard thing about digital photography is that it's easier, but that means you have to be that much better to stand out, because it's easier for everyone.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #11

Talking about what good and bad means in photography always reminds me of Miroslav Tichý, who said "if you want to be famous, you must do something more badly than anybody in the entire world", and took terrible but strangely brilliant photos with homemade cameras: https://flashbak.com/photographs-by-the-perverted-flaneur-mi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Tich%C3%BD

That holds in other art too. there is a current trend in modern art to create the most child-like, simplest, crayon crap that you can still sell at a Mega for millions lol. Very easy to make fun of but people like it. Here's a couple that I don't actually mind too much, but still not my cup of tea. https://www.artsy.net/artist/misaki-kawai/works-for-sale https://www.artsy.net/artist/maja-djordjevic/works-for-sale

The oil painting looking like ms paint scribbling is kind of interesting. I wouldn't hang it up though.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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Fixer is a class of chemicals used in wet photography to reduce impermanent, light-sensitive silver ions to permanent metallic silver.

That is actually done by the developer. The fixer washes away the remaining unexposed silver ions that were not reduced to metallic silver by the developer.

Ah, so it does.

The fixer stabilises the image, removing the unexposed silver halide remaining on the photographic film or photographic paper, leaving behind the reduced metallic silver that forms the image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_fixer

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

#130
post #86

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Is it just me or has the quality of GPT-3 comments declined recently?

I'm almost certain the parent is not an AI. Perhaps it's just that I have no idea what they are talking about.

Had to look these up:

verfremdungseffekt = distancing effect, something devised to cause you to not identify on an emotional level with the subjects or the action in the scene, but to see the image from a more dispassionate intellectual perspective. Magritte was mentioned because his work often "breaks the fourth wall," directly addressing the viewer instead of the more traditional painterly approach of creating drama in the scene.

non-diegetic content = content which is not part of the world of the scene itself. The scratches on the photos aren't part of the world that the subjects live in.

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