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Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by amluto »

wrycoder wrote: post #70
thehappypm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we need to stick with global warming. Overwhelmingly the direction is warming.

Except that the actual global atmospheric warming is minimal, 0.14 C/decade. [0] The actual problem is climate change in the western part of the United States, coupled with higher population density, poor forest management, and poor power line maintenance. [0] https://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/08/uah-global-temperature-...

The California problems may well be more due to forest mismanagement and PG&E issues than global warming. But 0.14C/decade is not “minimal” in any useful sense — it’s severely problematic.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by nradov »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #21

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

We also need more large firefighting aircraft. There is a perpetual shortage because the state and federal governments typically only hire them on annual contacts. So the operating companies can't afford to invest in more aircraft. If governments put out 10 year contracts that would give them enough stability to expand the fleet.

https://slate.com/business/2021/08/california-wildfires-airp...

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by pokstad »

jjulius wrote: post #71
pokstad wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regarding reducing the fuel load, in an interview four months ago, Newsom said that there are “Hundreds of millions of dead trees” in the state and that it cost his father $35,000 to clear “a small little patch of dead trees” on his property. > Newsom didn’t admit it, but the outrageous cost to remove a few dead trees from private land is a consequence of California’s Byzantine environmental regulatory patchwork. h…

That quote is about privately-owned land, not federally-owned land. You and the post you're responding to are both correct; the state is responsible for some areas, and the federal government is responsible for others.

You’re missing something here. Fires can start on private and state land and then spread to national forests. Also, more and more Californians are moving away from the coast into rural suburbs due to cost of living. Additionally, due to COVID lockdowns, more people are camping than ever. Fires aren’t started by climate change, they’re started by humans.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by s5300 »

pokstad wrote: post #44
tdhz77 wrote: post #34

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HN is getting more political. Just something I’ve noticed. Not saying it’s a bad thing, but a reflection of political tribalism.

I don’t belong to a tribe, but I can still appreciate how horribly run California is.

Huh, I could've sworn it was by all meaningful metrics, one of the most productive states in the USA.

Are you attempting to say it could be doing even better than it already is and make the bottom half of productive states look even worse than they already are? I guess I could perhaps agree with that.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by jjulius »

wrycoder wrote: post #70
thehappypm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we need to stick with global warming. Overwhelmingly the direction is warming.

Except that the actual global atmospheric warming is minimal, 0.14 C/decade. [0] The actual problem is climate change in the western part of the United States, coupled with higher population density, poor forest management, and poor power line maintenance. [0] https://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/08/uah-global-temperature-...

It's worth pointing out that the source here - Dr. Roy Spencer - has some incredibly controversial views in this area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by jayd16 »

jimt1234 wrote: post #87
Johnny555 wrote: post #50

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We need to apply Phos-Chek from ground based units Phos Chek is not great for the environment, especially to aquatic life. So ideally there'd be some solution that doesn't use more of it. agricultural level irrigation at the ready The fires are exacerbated by California's long term drought, if there's large quanties of water laying around, then they probably wouldn't have such a bad fire season. Inhabited locations i…

> I think there should be a re-evaluation of whether or not to let people build or rebuild in especially fire-prone areas. This is already happening, not by government, but rather by the insurance markets. My friend has lived in a fire-prone area of Southern California for years. His home owners insurances rates have more than tripled in the last few years. He just recently moved (yep, Idaho).

Does the government subsidize fire insurance? I'm always taken aback when I see people rebuilding from a hurricane with subsidized wind and flood insurance. I understand why its nice for those that need it but has perverse incentives.

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Post by beambot »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #21

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

Since you brought it up, it seems fair game to ask: do you work on climate solutions?

I always find it odd & off-putting when people demean or pass judgement on others' professions -- eg social apps & rocket ships -- especially if they ironically work in similarly "mundane" fields themselves. It just doesn't seem very constructive.

(Also: not sure I'd agree with the equivalence of the two examples, but that's another topic.)

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by kronin »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #66
Johnny555 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to apply Phos-Chek from ground based units Phos Chek is not great for the environment, especially to aquatic life. So ideally there'd be some solution that doesn't use more of it. agricultural level irrigation at the ready The fires are exacerbated by California's long term drought, if there's large quanties of water laying around, then they probably wouldn't have such a bad fire season. Inhabited locations i…

1. Phos Chek is probably better than the long term effects from a wildfire. I would recommend looking more into consiquentalists ethics. 2. The mountains have excesses of water in the spring which could easily be sequestered for wildfire season. 3. I own land and live in a wildfire prone area. I will not be moving out to live in a human shit ridden city. I am prefer nature over close human habitation.

Wildfires burn up all the dead brush and make way for new growth, along with fertilizing the soil.
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