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Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by carussell »

Xuzz wrote: post #159
carussell wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or the whole menu bar disappearing when you use an extension in its own window Could someone explain to me the correct way for a developer to handle this? I've been aware of this problem for a while, and I've newly come to own a Mac, so I've looked into it more and looked at what other apps are doing. There doesn't seem to be a correct solution. I looked at how Safari handles the Web Inspector, and it just adds a n…

I think the solution that Apple would suggest is to just not put an "app-within-an-app". If the feature set is far enough apart that it feels like a separate app that needs a separate menu bar, it should be a separate app. (I actually agree: when is that ever better than a dedicated app?)

I'll reply by pointing out that I wrote

> something like an app-within-an-app, or maybe A and B are actually even more closely tied together than that

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by pbreit »

starwed wrote: post #157
pbreit wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always the first thing I do but unfortunately defaults matter.

Sure, but many like the current default -- on a netbook, I used small icons, but everywhere else I willingly sacrifice a couple of pixels for an easier target.

The other browser makers seem to disagree.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by [deleted] »

dpark wrote: post #95
Silhouette wrote: post #74

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> What I don't like about these Chrome UI's is that they don't respect my OS settings Hear, hear. On our new serious workstation, we mostly run a variety of developer tools and browsers, some basic office software, various graphics/DTP/modelling stuff from companies like Adobe and Autodesk, and a bunch of tools to automate things and join the dots. On a quick look, exactly none of the major products there uses the st…

> I wish Microsoft would define a robust, standardised set of UI conventions again, based on usability rather than flashy stuff, and then at least stick to it themselves instead of inventing a whole new bunch of tricks for every new version of Office, IE, Visual Studio and so on. This, to me, is one the biggest pluses for Macs at this point. Microsoft keeps trying to reinvent the GUI, but they don't get rid of the ol…

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Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by retro212 »

cultureulterior wrote: post #14

I don't understand why no browser manufacturer integrates tree tabs. It's such a great interface innovation, and everybody is just ignoring it.

Yeah, that's the only reason why I'm still using FF. I'd switch to Chrome months ago, but I can't stand horizontal tabs anymore.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by ZoFreX »

dpark wrote: post #100
ZoFreX wrote: post #80

While this does look very pretty I'm kinda concerned that they're throwing a lot of good stuff away. I'm running Firefox 5 and it really feels polished, there's so many things I'm still discovering and thinking "hey, that's cool". It's a feeling you most often get when a design has been iterated, and tweaked, and worked on for a long time... I get the same feeling frequently on the Mac I have to use at work. This is…

> In particular, vertical pixels are at a premium for me, and Firefox 5 has done a lot to improve this... this is a step backwards, as the main bar at the top is larger. Really? Looks like an improvement to me, because tabs have now consumed the titlebar area. The tab area itself is larger, but the total change is a reduction in the amount of vertical space used. > And seriously, those curves take up a ridiculous amo…

> Really? Looks like an improvement to me, because tabs have now consumed the titlebar area.

I compared FF5 and these screenshots on my screen together, FF5 uses slightly less real estate. It's only a minor regression though, and hey, this is Firefox - I can customise it! It's just that prior to the current look, I had to modify Firefox quite a lot to optimise vertical real-estate, and it's quite nice that it's now good out of the box, so I selfishly want it to stay that way!

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by ZoFreX »

beaumartinez wrote: post #36

The dev tools' UI[1] looks amazing . http://people.mozilla.com/~shorlander/devTools/devTools.html

Thanks for the link, where did you find this? I just tried out FF8 and it didn't have most of this in it, but it did have the "inspect" tool. It looked beautiful, it was flashy but not in-your-face, and it was fast. In short, this ain't your mama's Firefox.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by ZoFreX »

jgranby wrote: post #19

I wonder whether this latest proposed redesign will finally have Firefox behaving like, y'know, a native OS X app, or whether it'll be just as shallow as all previous efforts.

I have to use a Mac at work and frankly none of the programs I use feel like Mac apps. Everything in the Adobe suite is the same as on Windows except slower (down to the 8 corner resizing), Firefox is as you say, and I have to agree with the statement I saw earlier today that Eclipse is a cross-platform Windows application.

Interestingly I have the exact same issue with Firefox on Android. The address bar isn't a native text box, it's fake! I have two non-standard things happening on text boxes, Samsung's cursor indicator and the Swype keyboard, and nothing behaves quite as it should.

Are developers giving up on using native widgets?

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by sshah »

starwed wrote: post #131
sshah wrote: post #65

Does anyone know if they are planning on bringing back Ubiquity. Of the different lab projects, this one I miss a lot.

You can actually download[1] an updated version of Ubiquity that works with even the nightly versions. The commands I personally wrote seem to be broken now, but I think the main pre-installed ones work. [1] Get tip.xpi at https://bitbucket.org/satyr/ubiquity/downloads

thanks a lot

Re: The future Firefox UI

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Post by trezor »

starwed wrote: post #35

Folk are focusing on the two changes that make this more like chrome (tabs in title bar, and apparent removal of search bar.) There's more going on here.[1] * Simplified, customizable graphical menus. No idea how well this will work, but it's only a mock-up at this point. * Removal of the forward button, merging the back button with the URL bar. * Refinement of per tab UI. In chrome you still get the browser chrome o…

Folk are focusing on the two changes that make this more like chrome (tabs in title bar, and apparent removal of search bar.)

This has been in FF since version 4. These mockups are for FF 8.

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