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Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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But bromine, iodine, chlorine, and silver could not fix an even greater failing of early photographs, their impermanence Good pun.

I have to guess a little at what you mean. My guess is the word "fix", having only been tangentially involved with photography are these the chemicals that we now call "fixer"?

Fixer is a class of chemicals used in wet photography to reduce impermanent, light-sensitive silver ions to permanent metallic silver.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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Talking about what good and bad means in photography always reminds me of Miroslav Tichý, who said "if you want to be famous, you must do something more badly than anybody in the entire world", and took terrible but strangely brilliant photos with homemade cameras: https://flashbak.com/photographs-by-the-perverted-flaneur-mi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Tich%C3%BD

Kind of taken aback by all the people saying these are just shitty photos. I think they are gorgeous... Do y'all think Lo-fi music is just shitty music too? I guess its a little unsurprising coming from the usual HN crowd lmao.

Agreed, they are really beautiful. The bike in motion and dancing feet in particular

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

#73
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The example of a selfie is in fact, not a selfie.

I frequently see people say online that they "took a selfie of" something else these days. This language really bothers me.

In my native language we have a running joke that goes like this:

    - I had a fie.
    - ???
    - Ah, it's just like selfie, but when someone else is making it for you.
(Originally: jebka/samojebka)

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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I'd guess they invoked nostalgia in other photographers at the time about their old bad photos, so they thought it was brilliant. Like an inside thing only they understood.

I like them and it's simply because they evoke an intellectual and emotional reaction. That's art.

I get nothing from them. Does that make them not art?

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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Funny, without context (that I am unwilling to pursue atm, just skipped the whole article for the photos) they just look terrible pictures. Period.

Yup, you can't just take awful photos and say "these are good actually". Well, in the art world you can get away with that kind of nonsense. But to most people those are just terrible photos.

There is no contradiction between something being both a terrible photo (or painting or sculpture) from a technical perspective and art.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #64

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I'm curious, show an example of what you consider to be good photos, if you don't mind taking a moment.

I don't think I can explain to you by showing an example. Also, I type this on a phone and don't have access to my collection. A good photo looks interesting or has something interesting in it or comes with some interesting context. These are more or less random photos taken with a bad camera. That's it. Now, I don't say you need good camera for good photos. You can make interesting photos with any camera. And you ca…

A good photo does not need to be interesting, since it doesn't need to appeal to intellect to be good. A photo can be good just by provoking an emotional reaction in the viewer.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, show an example of what you consider to be good photos, if you don't mind taking a moment.

I don't think I can explain to you by showing an example. Also, I type this on a phone and don't have access to my collection. A good photo looks interesting or has something interesting in it or comes with some interesting context. These are more or less random photos taken with a bad camera. That's it. Now, I don't say you need good camera for good photos. You can make interesting photos with any camera. And you ca…

> A good photo looks interesting or has something interesting in it or comes with some interesting context.

To my eye, these photos have all three of those things.

You don't have to like them yourself, but it seems a bit much to imply that they are objectively without value as art.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, without context (that I am unwilling to pursue atm, just skipped the whole article for the photos) they just look terrible pictures. Period.

Yup, you can't just take awful photos and say "these are good actually". Well, in the art world you can get away with that kind of nonsense. But to most people those are just terrible photos.

There are various philosophical and artistic movements for which art should not look like art. Others are about art being abstract, inaccessible and incomprehensible. Others yet are about use of archaic techniques to blend a modern eye with faux nostalgia (proto-hipsters, one could say).

There is not one kind of art.

Art does not need to be popular or broadly understood to be art.

You are not a majority anyway.

Good taste, feeling, and emotions are personal.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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post #7

Another recent example of how "bad photography" inspired "good photos" is Juergen Teller's shoot with W magazine. https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/best-performances-portfoli... The photos are typical of Juergen's style. But his style has been evolving more into casual snapshot aesthetic, but in more ironic way.

The only really interesting thing here that cameraphones have sort of pushed photography to use shorter focal lengths more often. Some photographers feel the shorter focal lengths feel "more authentic" somehow.

Other than that, this looks like someone with a smartphone trying a little too hard to "do photography" yet not bothering to travel to a nicer venue.

Re: Photography technology has influenced what people consider a good picture

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Photography as art was slightly popular in the age when regular people had crappy cameras and had to learn how to create a picture. In the process people learned to appreciate good composition and artistic interpretation of true professionals.

With advancements in digital photography and recently computational exposure all of this is gone. Over-saturation, Hyper contrast, HDRI corrections are the norm. People like things that are easy to understand and reproduce.

The next level of madness is GAS. There are thousands of "photographers" who are actually Technographers. Who are part of some "group" or brand tribe. And the taste of the tribe defines success.

The people who are learning composition, exposure or development are minority. And in this age of popularity contest photography is measured in likes, so there is no place for good photography in a classical sense. People have phones with AI and everybody is an "artist'. So be it.

But some of us don't care. Some of us shoot film for experience and challenge. Some of us read Ansel Adams books and try to create meaningful work. Some of us know who is Bresson, Robert Capa, and countless other masters. https://www.magnumphotos.com/shop/photographers/ And this is not bad thing.

Let people like what they can comprehend.

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