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China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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+1 for breaking autoexec.bat (on a 386). And getting yelled at by my dad, who needed it for work. Thankfully, this led to a great decision when he upgraded -- his old machine became mine. If I broke it, well, that was my problem, and I should learn how to fix it. Cue ~10 year old me learning about the Windows / DOS boot process. In summary, we should encourage kids to play games, but make them harder to install and m…

That's an interesting idea. If I have kids maybe I should tell them "you can play any game you can run on Linux. Here's an Ubuntu CD, helpdesk is at google.com. If you get really stuck tell me what you've tried so far and I'll give you some suggestions on what to ask Google. Oh, by the way, if you'd like to write your own games, I'll be happy to help you."

By the time you have kids that are old enough to play games, if you do, then you’ll probably know that this is an impossible conversation. The process will instead be to create a mystique out of your own habits, which the child will find intriguing.

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Rules for how online gaming companies can offer their service is kind of the opposite of expecting users to comply voluntarily with restrictions on online gaming?

There are also self-hosted, and offline games. Shit, my 17 yo plays until 4 in the morning somehow even though his internet turns off at 10pm and his phone has no data plan.

So your point is that people won't follow regulation targeting online games, by playing not-online games?

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I am appalled by all the supportive comments in this thread. Why are HN users so comfortable with authoritarian government? It’s about more than just online games. It’s about control. I’m sure the great firewall is perfectly fine as well?

Naturally, most of the comments here are expressing dissent to yours, simply because there is more to be said on that perspective. Most of the people who agree with you simply upvote your comment and move on.

>Naturally, most of the comments here are expressing dissent to yours, simply because there is more to be said on that perspective.

I think HN crowd is more prone to question their own believes and playing devil's advocate to just bashing on authoritative regimes. It is a blessing and a curse.

Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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This is an interesting policy to me.

I spent a LOT of time gaming in my teen years, but my parents practically forced me to play outside with friends, ride my bike, be a part of a church youth group, and greatly encouraged my hobbies programming and designing software formally starting at age 8.

I already had a pretty well-balanced life, and by this policy's standards, I would be "too addicted to gaming" and breaching its rules.

Today I work a wonderful job in tech getting paid well, and by and large love my life.

While in some ways, I can agree with the outcomes these policies are driving at, I can never get behind a government enforcing these at the risk of penalizing a family or children for breaching it.

Wars have been fought and won (rightfully) over the culmination of these types of far-reaching policies that seek to determine how an individual spends their recreational time outside of other obligations like school and work.

It also sets a terrible precedent for controlling the amount of time an individual spends on any other activity. I fundamentally reject the reasoning behind viewing gaming as a potential addiction when any other recreational activity could be classified as such if one spends a great deal of time pursuing it, especially given that many games incorporate history; useful story tropes for understanding life, myth, and relationships; and for online games, the social bonds, management of guilds/clans/resources, and other portable skills that readily translate to corollary activities in a multitude of career fields.

China really knows how to bum its citizens out on so many levels, and the fact that so many in Western cultures seek the cold-calculated utilitarian outcomes of policies like these for Western civilizations without considering the tangible, psychological, emotional, and cultural impacts (among others) on societies is absolutely appalling.

Western civilizations didn't endure wars and literal genocide over freedom from authoritarian lawmaking (and taxation) only to have these freedoms challenged again and again by a select few who have the audacity, hubris, and arrogance to impose on them in the name of the better good. Fuck that.

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+1 for breaking autoexec.bat (on a 386). And getting yelled at by my dad, who needed it for work. Thankfully, this led to a great decision when he upgraded -- his old machine became mine. If I broke it, well, that was my problem, and I should learn how to fix it. Cue ~10 year old me learning about the Windows / DOS boot process. In summary, we should encourage kids to play games, but make them harder to install and m…

That's an interesting idea. If I have kids maybe I should tell them "you can play any game you can run on Linux. Here's an Ubuntu CD, helpdesk is at google.com. If you get really stuck tell me what you've tried so far and I'll give you some suggestions on what to ask Google. Oh, by the way, if you'd like to write your own games, I'll be happy to help you."

For the last 15 years or so I have insisted most people I mentor, even young teens, build a new primary computer from parts and build Gentoo on it including the kernel.

When it boots successfully and can connect to the internet we then move on to helping them do any daily task they once did on Windows or MacOS, including gaming, art, schoolwork, etc on the new system.

Most choose another distro eventually once they know how to patch any software when needed, but some stick around and go on to develop operating systems themselves.

Many are doing very well in the industry today.

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I am appalled by all the supportive comments in this thread. Why are HN users so comfortable with authoritarian government? It’s about more than just online games. It’s about control. I’m sure the great firewall is perfectly fine as well?

I’ve skimmed the comments with the same dismay until I read yours. The lack of concern about using coercive force to control how people dispose of their leisure time is disturbing to say the least. Maybe that over a billion people out there who are living with the same freedom as inmates in a minimum security prison in the US should be a more pressing issue than the nuances of the normative value of video games.

It does seem like there has been a lot of news lately about curious social engineering policies coming out of China. I wonder if the politburo suspects trouble.

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I haven't played a good game in nearly a decade. I used to play them for the story, then it all became too grindy, trainers became moneymakers (yeah I used cheats, sue me, I played for fun), everything needs a fking Internet connection and anticheat software that does god knows what. Kinda sad.

I haven't played recent games, but are they really more grindy than e.g. EverQuest or the NES Square/Enix games?

Most high-budget, high-profile games coming out these days are not grindy at out. I'm sure you can find grindy games within certain genre niches, but there are good not-very-grindy games in just about every genre right now AFAIK.

Unless the genre is grindy, micro-payment games in which case... Consider not playing them.

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Temporary? We're a year and a half in, with no end in sight. If the vaccines weren't the end game, there is no end game. Indefinite public health authoritarianism. Mild? Australians can't travel more than 5km from their homes. For essential purposes only. Vaccinated Australians can only leave their homes for 2 hours a day (unvaxed 1 hour a day).

I mean, delta changed the math of how effective the vaccine was at preventing spread and mild illness. This is why the idea of a _novel_ coronavirus epidemic was bad, we had no idea where it was gonna go. In Oregon we were on a very bad trajectory in the last two weeks with hospitals full and "elective" medical procedures suspended in some areas (my family being directly effected by this), that is now being deflected…

This is all true, but at the same time, it is a legitimate question to ask 'when does this stop?' I think we can all agree that it can't last forever. But Kate Brown mandated masks even outdoors, and while her intentions may be pure, she didn't provide any metrics that she will use to decide the mandate can be dropped. We are past the 70% vaccination threshold she originally used. Even then, the metric was created well after the mandates, and I disagree with that. When we are going to put such rules in place they should be defined from the beginning as temporary or permanent, and in the case of the former should come with a definition for the end. A date, a set of metrics, something specific.

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I have mixed feelings about this. Younger me learned a lot of problem solving skills and most importantly spent a lot of time learning how to read by playing RPGs and games that required lots of reading. My reading skills would not have been as advanced if i wasn't playing text heavy games that had a lot of plot like Square Enix games and the CRPGs of the time. Modern games though are clearly designed to get you as a…

> I have mixed feelings about this. I don't. If this were to be proposed in America I would view it as extreme government over-reach.

> If this were to be proposed in America I would view it as extreme government over-reach.

It is an extreme government overreach, whether in the US or China. It's an abuse of human rights. China is about one step away from treading into classic Mao Communist cultural attack mode.

The interesting thing about pursuing so much control, is that more control requires ever more control, it's a negative spiral. More oppression requires ever greater oppression to keep the system from rupturing.

Anyone championing this as borderline acceptable, those people have little terrifying monsters inside, little psycho dictators, yearning to violently oppress and control people. Societies are always filled with these little monsters running around trying to violently control people, they always have to be pushed back against.

In China's case, Xi is pursuing a new cultural revolution, as he sees fit to implement. One thing after another is being taken out, targeted.

They took out all traces of freedom of speech, years ago. They isolated the people with the great firewall, to restrict foreign influence, control domestic influences, and keep the people contained. They installed aggressive censors at all tech and media companies. They eliminated all independent news and media. They've further cracked down on all religion, religious expression, religious worship. They banished nearly all foreign reporting from the country. They banished all joke apps. They banished all gay culture. They're culturally cleansing the Muslim Uyghur regions. They implemented the social credit scoring system. They've entirely taken over Hong Kong and are proceding with wiping out its formerly independent culture. They've installed direct party control over all major private corporations, tech or otherwise. They've neutered all of their most prominent business persons, one after another. They've purged, vanished numerous prominent celebrities. They're in the process of banning all negative discussions of anything economic/financial. They're initiating an effort to prevent any consequential companies from publicly listing stock overseas, looking to increase economic control and reduce foreign influence. They're wiping out private education (classic cultural revolution move on education). They're about to flip to a digital currency, to further increase the ease and application of economic controls over individuals. This is the short list of what they've done since Xi took power, and they're only just getting warmed up.

It's a science fiction nightmare, set to become real. This gaming restriction is just one little drop in the ocean of what they're doing broadly, it's all moving in concert.

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