In my opinion they will have a hard time competing with Sublime Text 2 if they make it paid. Sublime text 2 supports OS X, Windows and Linux.
I personally work on both Linux and Windows so ST2 is the one for me.
Chocolat - the new editor
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#62With the amount of muscle memory and (deeply personalized) customization that goes in to getting comfortable with an editor, it seems like the hardest place to attract users, and since vim and emacs have already done everything worth doing in an editor (except flashy buttons I guess), it seems like the hardest place to innovate.
textmate, bbedit, kod, coda, sublime text, and now this
What is interesting about this space that makes people think they can make something better than vim and emacs, in fact, so much better that they can overcome the inertia that comes with being a vim or emacs user? I get that you can maybe grab a few notepad/textedit people, but you're never going to attract serious developers.
If you are someone who pays for one of these editors, please help me understand and explain why, unless it's "someone told me about it before I knew any better and now I'm stuck with it for the same inertial reasons".
(ides are different, I do get that, I don't get it when it's a "swiss-army knife" style of text editor)
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#63"Who doesn't like tabs?" In text editors? Me. I don't like thinking about which individual files are open. Any file under the root of my project (i.e. the editor's current working directory) is fair game for an open buffer. I treat open file as "go to class".
Emacs user.
Hmm.. I am a Vi user with the same attitude.
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Vico is a good contender for TextMate 2, but it's still pretty buggy for something he charges money for. Chocolat looks more like a contender for TextMate 1 to me... less Vim bindings? I'll probably skip it.
I purchased Vico and haven't regretted it yet. I'll be pleased when the Lion bugs get sorted out. I've also wanted to love Textmate but can't give up my vim commands.
Yeah, I love Vico. I'm not coming from a vim background, so the progressive enhancement approach really works for me. It'll be nice when it stops crashing on Lion, but hey, I haven't lost any work yet :P
The only thing I really miss from TextMate is transparent backgrounds... hopefully that's coming in the future.
Re: Chocolat - the new editor
#65With the amount of muscle memory and (deeply personalized) customization that goes in to getting comfortable with an editor, it seems like the hardest place to attract users, and since vim and emacs have already done everything worth doing in an editor (except flashy buttons I guess), it seems like the hardest place to innovate. textmate, bbedit, kod, coda, sublime text, and now this What is interesting about this sp…
Well, since TextMate 2 still hasn't come out yet, and this seems to appeal to a very similar aesthetic, I could see this taking over that market. I'm definitely very interested to try it out.
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#66With the amount of muscle memory and (deeply personalized) customization that goes in to getting comfortable with an editor, it seems like the hardest place to attract users, and since vim and emacs have already done everything worth doing in an editor (except flashy buttons I guess), it seems like the hardest place to innovate. textmate, bbedit, kod, coda, sublime text, and now this What is interesting about this sp…
Well, since TextMate 2 still hasn't come out yet, and this seems to appeal to a very similar aesthetic, I could see this taking over that market. I'm definitely very interested to try it out.
what do you use now, and why?
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure how well "relegated" is going to go over here since Vim and Emacs are considered by many the best editors. If you're on a Gnome-flavored Linux, then many "lesser" editors can use GVFS to remotely work on files.
Don't get me wrong, I have grown to love emacs. I use it all day, every day, and a good portion of my hippocampus is dedicated to storing away emacs keyboard shortcuts. But why can't I have what is good about emacs (a ton of buffers, unlimited bash shells, keyboard based) in a native text editor? I'm content with emacs now, but why do engineers have to spend so much time wrestling with an editor like emacs before bei…
Did you see this discussion a few months ago on an interesting idea for a modern GUI terminal? I don't know if there has been any further development but that definitely has thought provoking ideas.
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#69i sometimes need to use the split window to show me 2 or 3 code chunks that are sequential, so that they scroll together. i mean, not 3 different, distant parts of a document, but like one longer part of a document, where a core function with several recursions and nested loops is defined, in many lines, and i want to see them all. usually i print them out and then inspect. is there any editor to do this? maybe choco…
Relevant HN post: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2797790
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Indeed. I would gladly pay $50 bucks just to be able to split windows in my textmate.
Is this the reason people commenting seem legitimately excited? I'm a Linux/vim guy; I appreciate when people make lean, straightforward 'simple' applications but this just appears to be a Macified version of vim... since TextMate was supposed to be Macified vim, I couldn't really see the point. I hate to be a neckbeard on this one, but I get irritated when Mac guys conflate 'simple' and 'graphical'. If this editor h…
I think zen is the keyword. Apps like textmate or this one or mac os/apps in general are not simple because it's cool to be simple - they just hide the power that's under the hood so your tired eyes and brain can focus on the task at hand. But ultimately it's about your own zen: whatever makes each one happier and more productive, be it eclipse, netbeans, vim or textmate.
I really want to break out of the terminal.
Have you tried MacVim?