Notably missing Doomer Optimists who accept the reality and inevitability of collapse, while viewing it as an opportunity for localist, agrarian communities to rise in the wake.
A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
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Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#22Notably missing Doomer Optimists who accept the reality and inevitability of collapse, while viewing it as an opportunity for localist, agrarian communities to rise in the wake.
Is this not addressed by the "Right-wing Accelerationists/Dark Enlightenment" section?
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#23This is a Very Online taxonomy; I don't think it incorporates the vast majority of normal, not particularly Online people who are aware of these problems but aren't spending most of their energy on them. The vast majority of people are fundamentally outside of this taxonomy because even if they are thinking about ideas related to "collapse", it's as a problem someone else is going to solve for them. The biggest challenge in climate change (for example) is that it's simply happening on too long a timescale for the average person to pay much attention to it. That will change in the coming decades, but by the time it does, it'll probably be too late to avoid the biggest harms.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#24Notably missing Doomer Optimists who accept the reality and inevitability of collapse, while viewing it as an opportunity for localist, agrarian communities to rise in the wake.
Is this not addressed by the "Right-wing Accelerationists/Dark Enlightenment" section?
No, because that group tends to want a "libertarian" pseudofascist capitalist society, not an agrarian one.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#25Notably missing Doomer Optimists who accept the reality and inevitability of collapse, while viewing it as an opportunity for localist, agrarian communities to rise in the wake.
"Cottage-core: the fetishization of bucolic and isolated life is once again proposed by cottage-core as an escape from declining modernity. "
From the article perspective they are in the pessimist section. As they are pessimist avoid improving the current state.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#26For those that would like to know how to rebuild civilization, the book The Knowledge by Lewis Dartnell is a handy reference on things to know and do. General bibliography:
* http://the-knowledge.org/en-gb/bibliography/
Deep dives on particular topics of agriculture, food and clothing, substances (charcoal, lime), materials (wood, cement, furnaces, glass), medicine, etc:
* http://the-knowledge.org/en-gb/further-reading-by-chapter/
See also the more light-hearted How to Invent Everything: A Survival Guide for the Stranded Time Traveler by Ryan North:
* https://www.howtoinventeverything.com
Which starts with inventing language (spoken and written), before moving to "non-sucky" numbers, the scientific method, and calorie surplus.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#27Notably missing Doomer Optimists who accept the reality and inevitability of collapse, while viewing it as an opportunity for localist, agrarian communities to rise in the wake.
Anarcho-communism long predates the Doomers and has always had similar framing. It was real popular in the late 60s / early 70s; the world collapsing is something we’ve known about for a very long time but people have to get fantastically wealthy somehow so we keep doing the old thing.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#28The idea of collapse is just fear porn for people that are online too much. Kinda sad to see it on a forum like this, a forum otherwise devoted to rationality and using words that meaning.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What spike in crime? All data I've seen has shown marked, consistent decreases in crime. Could you link the data you refer to?
> What spike in crime? Well, see, that's the subtle part. Is there really a crisis-level crime wave (in the US)? There was a sharp decrease in crime in the initial months after lockdowns went into affect, but a spike in gun purchases. As such, homicides, which in the US are overwhelmingly committed with guns, are definitely up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rat... But it's not anywhere near…
How about ignoring the fact that a far higher percentage of shooting victims survive gunshot wounds now than they did in the 70's, which has a significant impact on lowering the number of gun deaths, while increasing the number of victims with lifelong impairments from their wounds.
Or the correlation/causation fallacy of assuming that new gun purchases (primarily in the suburbs) drove the spike in murders because it's politically inconvenient to assume significant departures of police officers in cities like Minneapolis might be a more potent correlating event to investigate?
50% of the gun murder victims in the USA are Black, and the vast majority of these murders (like all murders in the US) involve a perpetrator matching the ethnicity of the victim. The human beings who live in these neighborhoods feel like their safety has "collapsed", and they certainly aren't right wing reactionaries. They just don't want every summer holiday weekend to involve kids getting shot in crossfire between rival gangs. The polling data reveals this rather markedly.
Here's a Gallup poll (a few months after George Floyd's murder by Derek Chauvin) which shows that 81% of Black Americans want the police presence in their community to remain the same or be increased.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r...
It's almost as if the ivory tower, academic egghead activists who CLAIM to represent Black Americans weren't elected and shouldn't be viewed as if they were.
Re: A Compass for the Politics of Collapse
#30Oh, this is nice. While the mortals are talking about surviving a self-inflicted societal collapse, the trillionaires are busy building penis rockets, fighting taxes tooth and nail, and building doomsday bunkers. Ironically - in New Zealand, a place where society will most like be one of the last ones to fold.
Good bye, and thanks for all the fish!