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In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by feral »

yborg wrote: post #9
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #6

So the submarines can't use active sonar, because their number one priority is to avoid detection... but then these subs are all parked in the same "parking spots" in the ocean. If the favored parking spots for submarines are so rare and small that collisions happen more than once, surely that undermines their stated number one priority of remaining hidden? If someone wanted to locate enemy submarines, surely they co…

How are the drones going to detect them apart from randomly running into them? Simpler approach is for an adversary to just cruise attack boats through these areas, which you would want to do anyway since once you detect them you want to sink them in wartime.

> How are the drones going to detect them apart from randomly running into them?

In this context the idea would be that drones can use active sonar, because they are relatively expendable.

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by feral »

earthbee wrote: post #10
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #6

So the submarines can't use active sonar, because their number one priority is to avoid detection... but then these subs are all parked in the same "parking spots" in the ocean. If the favored parking spots for submarines are so rare and small that collisions happen more than once, surely that undermines their stated number one priority of remaining hidden? If someone wanted to locate enemy submarines, surely they co…

If the passive sonar filling the entire nose of a huge submarine can't hear another submarine, why would a much smaller sonar in the nose of a drone be able to detect a submarine?

Because it could be active?

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by hinkley »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #6

So the submarines can't use active sonar, because their number one priority is to avoid detection... but then these subs are all parked in the same "parking spots" in the ocean. If the favored parking spots for submarines are so rare and small that collisions happen more than once, surely that undermines their stated number one priority of remaining hidden? If someone wanted to locate enemy submarines, surely they co…

Sounds like the FAA altitude problem all over again.

As altimeters got more accurate, the odds that you were flying at exactly 28000 feet went up. If an air traffic controller fucks up and puts two planes at 28000ft, they can now collide because they're ±10ft instead of ±200ft. That was the RCA of that mid-air collision over Brazil a while back.

The more you try to control a thing the more problems you can have. A parking lot for stealth ships is... I don't want to say dumb but confusing for sure.

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by earthbee »

feral wrote: post #12
earthbee wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the passive sonar filling the entire nose of a huge submarine can't hear another submarine, why would a much smaller sonar in the nose of a drone be able to detect a submarine?

Because it could be active?

Then you could hear them coming and avoid them

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by chinathrow »

jaywalk wrote: post #4
uga4012 wrote: post #3

Are they really not detectable from space?

Why do you think they would be detectable from space? That doesn't make any sense.

Why do you think that no nation states and their 3 letter agiens might have developed such technology by now?

We basically know nothing about what current NRO spy sats carry, or do we?

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by richwater »

hinkley wrote: post #13
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #6

So the submarines can't use active sonar, because their number one priority is to avoid detection... but then these subs are all parked in the same "parking spots" in the ocean. If the favored parking spots for submarines are so rare and small that collisions happen more than once, surely that undermines their stated number one priority of remaining hidden? If someone wanted to locate enemy submarines, surely they co…

Sounds like the FAA altitude problem all over again. As altimeters got more accurate, the odds that you were flying at exactly 28000 feet went up. If an air traffic controller fucks up and puts two planes at 28000ft, they can now collide because they're ±10ft instead of ±200ft. That was the RCA of that mid-air collision over Brazil a while back. The more you try to control a thing the more problems you can have. A pa…

That's why we've implemented SLOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lateral_offset_proce...

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by pjerem »

richwater wrote: post #16
hinkley wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the FAA altitude problem all over again. As altimeters got more accurate, the odds that you were flying at exactly 28000 feet went up. If an air traffic controller fucks up and puts two planes at 28000ft, they can now collide because they're ±10ft instead of ±200ft. That was the RCA of that mid-air collision over Brazil a while back. The more you try to control a thing the more problems you can have. A pa…

That's why we've implemented SLOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lateral_offset_proce...

Thank you, pretty interesting

Re: In 2009, Two Nuclear Submarines Collided Under the Sea (2016)

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Post by changoplatanero »

jaywalk wrote: post #4
uga4012 wrote: post #3

Are they really not detectable from space?

Why do you think they would be detectable from space? That doesn't make any sense.

There is a technique for finding nuclear submarines from space by using satellites to look for the hot water exhaust from the nuclear reactors.
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