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The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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It’s worth noting that this is a bit more powerful than Pine64’s other hardware releases, in part because it’s using the same base chipset as its Quartz64 SBC, released earlier this year: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Quartz64

Does boot/ethernet/PCIe/wifi/USB work with a mainline kernel?

The board only became available last month, kernel source is still in a development tree.

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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It’s worth noting that this is a bit more powerful than Pine64’s other hardware releases, in part because it’s using the same base chipset as its Quartz64 SBC, released earlier this year: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Quartz64

Does boot/ethernet/PCIe/wifi/USB work with a mainline kernel?

See https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Quartz64_Development which is quite up to date. Looks like they have quite a bit of stuff in the pipeline.

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t take any notes, yet. This is pretty much how all Pine devices ship, and they’re up front about it. They’ve always been very explicitly that the Pine devices aren’t meant to be fully formed consumer devices and that it’ll take quite a bit of elbow grease and community effort to make the most out of the hardware.

Not everyone follows Pine devices closely. I was quite surprised to see someone announce a device and call it a notebook, when it lacks the all of the software that defines the category.

Yup, it's supposed to be more like an e-ink tablet AIUI. Not really a traditional notebook computer.

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Let me just say that the Remarkable also runs linux. Not only that, but I've been blown away by the ongoing results from the team at Remarkable. I only have the Remarkable 1 but they continue to ship updates for it, and these updates are often really substantive with sometimes profound new features. Their cloud service is free, no aggravating subscription stuff and even though they have the remarkable 2 now, they con…

And they give root access to the device along with GPL compliance statements, allowing for a flourishing developer community that creates tons of useful programs that can run on the embedded device. See for example https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable for a list.

There is also an opkg-based package manager and repo with many packages: https://toltec-dev.org/

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Let me just say that the Remarkable also runs linux. Not only that, but I've been blown away by the ongoing results from the team at Remarkable. I only have the Remarkable 1 but they continue to ship updates for it, and these updates are often really substantive with sometimes profound new features. Their cloud service is free, no aggravating subscription stuff and even though they have the remarkable 2 now, they con…

My Remarkable 2 is the best note taking, writing, sketching device I've ever owned. I appreciate the competition in the space and hope it drives more innovation but I don't want to hack on my Remarkable tablet. I just want to write and sketch on it for the moment.

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Is the input lag in par with other e-ink notebooks?

When the project was initially announced, Pine was claiming a 60Hz refresh rate, which sounded amazing but is essentially impossible for e-ink at full dynamic range. They've since clarified this: >Edit August 16 00:09 UTC: A previous version of this post listed the e-ink panel’s refresh rate at 60Hz. This number requires much more context. It takes multiple frames to display most images on an e-ink panel. The visual…

> Realistically, the best you can do with e-ink is 1-bit with ~120ms refresh

I'm curious, why is that so? Can't the control algorithm boost the speed by sending higher voltages when switching, then going back to "holding" voltage?

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Let me just say that the Remarkable also runs linux. Not only that, but I've been blown away by the ongoing results from the team at Remarkable. I only have the Remarkable 1 but they continue to ship updates for it, and these updates are often really substantive with sometimes profound new features. Their cloud service is free, no aggravating subscription stuff and even though they have the remarkable 2 now, they con…

Kobo and Kindle both run Linux too. Kobo still updates every single model they've released except for the first two non-touch models and the 5" mini stretching back a decade. And Amazon is pretty good with updates too.

Kobo is pretty similarly hackable to the Remarkables but they are not nearly as open and free as the Pine stuff. I take a look at what remarkable has updated, and they just still haven't gotten ePub support anywhere close to where it should be. I belive it technically converts ePubs to PDF and displays that?? With large books taking minutes to change font sizes. That to me has completely turned me off their devices. Writing may be better but reading is IMO equally important for devices like these.

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Interesting. As an aside the Remarkable runs Linux too and it's somewhat hackable, but its main application is closed source, as is the drawing of the screen (accomplished with temperature dependent waveforms via software).

Its hardware specs are much worse but it's thinner at 4.7 mm.

I appreciate this new product but if it were dependent on me I would have invested in color eInk instead of powerful CPU with an NPU. I guess the build on the community providing a nice environment and handwriting recognition (otherwise I cannot explain the NPU)

Re: The PineNote is an e-ink notebook that runs Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does boot/ethernet/PCIe/wifi/USB work with a mainline kernel?

See https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Quartz64_Development which is quite up to date. Looks like they have quite a bit of stuff in the pipeline.

Perfect! Thanks for the link, I was thinking that was going to be about the supported OS status only and didn't think to check it. Looks like all of the boxes I needed are checked except PCIe which already has a tiny patchset in linux-next :D.
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