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Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by dev_tty01 »

hammock wrote: post #16

>It is this weighing of risks and benefits, in all their many facets, that informs the chorus of health-care professionals imploring their families, neighbors, co-workers, and friends, along with everyone else, to please get vaccinated against covid-19. They urge vaccination because they see its ratio of risks to benefits as incredibly, unbelievably good. For someone who has already had Covid and recovered, there is…

Not true. Vaccinated and previously infected people are much less likely to be reinfected than unvaccinated previously infected. Here is a recent study:

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

Reinfection was twice as likely among unvaccinated previously infected. The more recent data includes the effects of the delta variant. So, the risk of Covid is much higher and the risk of adverse effects are approximately zero for getting the vaccine.

Note that I am not commenting on vaccine prioritization and allocation, just the assertion of the post that vaccination has no benefit to previously infected people.

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by hammock »

rdli wrote: post #20
hammock wrote: post #16

>It is this weighing of risks and benefits, in all their many facets, that informs the chorus of health-care professionals imploring their families, neighbors, co-workers, and friends, along with everyone else, to please get vaccinated against covid-19. They urge vaccination because they see its ratio of risks to benefits as incredibly, unbelievably good. For someone who has already had Covid and recovered, there is…

This study is based on 2020 data, pre Delta.

Here is the latest data. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-on...

  Vaccinated person 13x more likely than the naturally immune to catch delta

  7x more likely to be symptomatic

  More likely to be hospitalized
Take back you downvote and educate yourself.

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by spats1990 »

spinach wrote: post #23
void_mint wrote: post #4

Those that believe the vaccines are dangerous aren't swayed by rational thinking.

In the very first paragraph, the doctor gives a reason why people aren't getting vaccinated, and it's because they've heard of bad outcomes and are simply avoiding something they know to be a potential immediate risk. That is not irrational thinking. "I often ask them why, after the devastation we’ve seen this year, they’ve chosen not to get vaccinated. Sometimes their answers are weird or conspiratorial. But most pe…

It can be considered irrational thinking given the scientifically documented rarity of adverse reactions to the vaccines thus far.

It is lottery-ticket thinking but with a negative outcome imagined in place of a positive one.

Just like with lottery tickets, you have to be in to win. But it is overwhelmingly unlikely that you will win, and it is overwhelmingly unlikely you will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine.

It's weird to see someone argue that this is "not irrational thinking" on numerically literate HN.

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by hammock »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #31
hammock wrote: post #16

>It is this weighing of risks and benefits, in all their many facets, that informs the chorus of health-care professionals imploring their families, neighbors, co-workers, and friends, along with everyone else, to please get vaccinated against covid-19. They urge vaccination because they see its ratio of risks to benefits as incredibly, unbelievably good. For someone who has already had Covid and recovered, there is…

Not true. Vaccinated and previously infected people are much less likely to be reinfected than unvaccinated previously infected. Here is a recent study: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr... Reinfection was twice as likely among unvaccinated previously infected. The more recent data includes the effects of the delta variant. So, the risk of Covid is much higher and the risk of adverse effect…

>risk of Covid is much higher and the risk of adverse effects are approximately zero for getting the vaccine.

Where is your data for this?

What is the risk of a naturally immune person catching Covid, and being either a)symptomatic, b)hospitalized, or c)killed?

How does this risk compare to the risk of a serious adverse event or long-term consequence such as autoimmune disease from the vaccine in a healthy young man?

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by CozyBearNotSoy »

olliej wrote: post #26
sharken wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how do you feel about the alcoholics and obese, do you also not care about them ?

Alcoholics and the obese don’t transmit death or cause others to die by exhausting hospital resources* * Well DUIs kill people, but we’ve recognized that in that case someone’s “freedom” is legal when it kills other people

The fact that cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in America doesn't faze you in your assessment here?

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by spats1990 »

hammock wrote: post #32
rdli wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study is based on 2020 data, pre Delta.

Here is the latest data. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-on... Vaccinated person 13x more likely than the naturally immune to catch delta 7x more likely to be symptomatic More likely to be hospitalized Take back you downvote and educate yourself.

Perhaps, as is a common argument from the vaccine-hesitant, we should wait for more scientific data before concluding that previous infection provides more protection than the vaccine? :)

After all, this whole thing has happened quite quickly.

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by dev_tty01 »

hammock wrote: post #32
rdli wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study is based on 2020 data, pre Delta.

Here is the latest data. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-on... Vaccinated person 13x more likely than the naturally immune to catch delta 7x more likely to be symptomatic More likely to be hospitalized Take back you downvote and educate yourself.

The commenter stated that the vaccine had no benefit to previously infected. That is not true. From the article you reference:

"The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated."

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by akomtu »

hammock wrote: post #32
rdli wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This study is based on 2020 data, pre Delta.

Here is the latest data. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-on... Vaccinated person 13x more likely than the naturally immune to catch delta 7x more likely to be symptomatic More likely to be hospitalized Take back you downvote and educate yourself.

The dangerous citizen who thinks for himself.

Re: Why the Covid Vaccines Aren’t Dangerous

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Post by hammock »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #38
hammock wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the latest data. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-on... Vaccinated person 13x more likely than the naturally immune to catch delta 7x more likely to be symptomatic More likely to be hospitalized Take back you downvote and educate yourself.

The commenter stated that the vaccine had no benefit to previously infected. That is not true. From the article you reference: "The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated."

At what cost? What is the risk vs benefit for this particular scenario?
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