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Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Also, a warning on Western Digital”s SN750 SE series. These are PCIe 4.0 protocol ones that claim to outperform the regular SN750 drives. In reality they’re slower because they’re DRAM-less. Last I checked they were the same price, so be careful to not get the SE model.

How much of a difference does the DRAM cache make anyway, given that there is already a significantly larger disk cache in the system RAM, which is also closer to the CPU?

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just read that Samsung changed the BOM on 970 evo plus. Switched to the controller of the 980 pro. Test reults are mixed. 4K QD1 is up ~50->82MB/s, serial writes after exhausting SLC cache (115GB) are nearly halved 1500->800MB/s.

That's not what happens when you switch to a newer, faster controller. Those performance changes are what happens when you switch to newer NAND flash that's manufactured with twice the per-die capacity, so you have half as many dies for a given drive capacity. (Assuming the newer NAND isn't split into twice as many planes per die to compensate.) Edit: Looking into this further, TechPowerUp, Computerbase and others ha…

> That's not what happens when you switch to a newer, faster controller.

Wasn't also caching strategy changed with the newer controller? Larger dynamic slc, slower folding speed?

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just read that Samsung changed the BOM on 970 evo plus. Switched to the controller of the 980 pro. Test reults are mixed. 4K QD1 is up ~50->82MB/s, serial writes after exhausting SLC cache (115GB) are nearly halved 1500->800MB/s.

That's not what happens when you switch to a newer, faster controller. Those performance changes are what happens when you switch to newer NAND flash that's manufactured with twice the per-die capacity, so you have half as many dies for a given drive capacity. (Assuming the newer NAND isn't split into twice as many planes per die to compensate.) Edit: Looking into this further, TechPowerUp, Computerbase and others ha…

Thanks for the correction and the comprehensive information Billy, anandtech is my goto for hardware information, you guys rock. Forgot to mention that they changed the NAND.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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This happens to video games also. Publishers give review copies with microtransactions not included, the reviewers review it, and then shortly after release they add their free-to-play garbage so they get reviews that don't take the microtransactions into account and then they add it later. The also do it during ESRB submission to get around having to have a label that mentions in-game purchases. I'm surprised ESRB l…

IMO with games it's preplanned fraud for profit, With hardware it's due to pandemic induced chip shortage but I guess it's still a fraud when product states something and delivers another.

I was expecting that the silent feature reductions in the automobiles due to chip-shortage would seep into another hardware products sooner or later, In fact I was trying to validate whether there's a need to track 'What has been removed due to chip shortage'[1] and it seems like there's good reason to do it.

[1] https://needgap.com/problems/234-what-has-been-removed-due-t... (Disclaimer: I created this platform).

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what happens when you switch to a newer, faster controller. Those performance changes are what happens when you switch to newer NAND flash that's manufactured with twice the per-die capacity, so you have half as many dies for a given drive capacity. (Assuming the newer NAND isn't split into twice as many planes per die to compensate.) Edit: Looking into this further, TechPowerUp, Computerbase and others ha…

> That's not what happens when you switch to a newer, faster controller. Wasn't also caching strategy changed with the newer controller? Larger dynamic slc, slower folding speed?

I haven't done the math, but my gut feeling is that the relatively modest increase in SLC cache size could not on its own lead to that big a drop in post-cache sustained write speed except possibly where QLC is concerned, and especially not when mitigated by a generational increase in per-die performance.

Samsung's drives are still operating with SLC caches that are smaller than the theoretical limit, which means that even after the cache is full, the drive should be able to accept some amount of writes that bypass the cache and have near native TLC performance; flushing the cache can be deferred a bit longer until the drive is actually starting to run out of free blocks, as opposed to typical QLC drives with maximally-sized SLC caches that run out of free blocks at the same point where the cache runs out.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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This happens to video games also. Publishers give review copies with microtransactions not included, the reviewers review it, and then shortly after release they add their free-to-play garbage so they get reviews that don't take the microtransactions into account and then they add it later. The also do it during ESRB submission to get around having to have a label that mentions in-game purchases. I'm surprised ESRB l…

One of the latest events like this is Capcoms Resident Evil Village which launched with a DRM that added terrible stuttering to the PC version. They only admitted to this and promised a fix when a cracked version came out that had the DRM removed and it didn’t have any stuttering [1]. [1] https://www.gamesradar.com/resident-evil-village-pc-patch-la...

Capcoms pc ports have always been… I remember my dmc3 that didn’t work at all (maybe a fan patch helped?), and the frame pacing in re4 on pc giving my wife and I migraines… or dmc5 deleting my save file… or re2 remake requiring 2 year old drivers to avoid crashes… I have friends who have issues with the street fighters on pc as well. That’s just off the top of my head.

Re: Silent changes to Western Digital’s budget SSD may lower speeds by up to 50%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't need more regulation. Just stop trusting professional reviewers who are not bound by the existing false advertising laws that the manufacturers/retails already are. If you want to know how something performs, read the specs published by the manufacturer. If they're too shy to say how slow it is, then there's a reason for that!

Yes it does need more regulation. It is fraud and as a manufacturer you shouldn't be allowed to get away with deceptive shit like this.

It might be deceptive, but only because consumers somehow believe product names correspond to unchanging products. They obviously don't, across many industries. Cars keep the same names but change design every few years. Food keeps changing package size and recipe. It's everywhere! They didn't promise not to change it, and the products still conform to the published specs. If you're too lazy to read that from the horse's mouth and rely on outdated 3rd party reviewers, that's on you.
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