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Re: The future Firefox UI

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Does anyone know if they are planning on bringing back Ubiquity. Of the different lab projects, this one I miss a lot.

You can actually download[1] an updated version of Ubiquity that works with even the nightly versions.

The commands I personally wrote seem to be broken now, but I think the main pre-installed ones work.

[1] Get tip.xpi at https://bitbucket.org/satyr/ubiquity/downloads

Re: The future Firefox UI

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post #116

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This is undoubtedly true (with the flagrant exception of iCal and Address Book), but some of us old-timey Mac users remember a glorious past full of matte gray and a spatial Finder…

That's true about iCal and Address Book. I don't use either of those, so I'd forgotten what they'd done to them. I'm not an "old-timey" Mac user by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't help wondering when Macs were "full of matte gray". Are you referring to pre-OSX days, because it seems that OSX is more gray now than ever before?

I am in fact. If I remember correctly (I may very well not!) Mac OS 8 or so (maybe 8.5) was the height of the let's-never-ever-deviate-from-the-HIG days.

This also included a glorious commitment to the desktop metaphor, when that phrase meant anything: you really could map your mental representation of virtual objects onto their real-life analogs and expect things to work remarkably like you expected.

Now, I don't know that a desktop metaphor is the right way to interact with a computer (I certainly avoid it like the plague), but it seems preferable, in my experience, to the hodge-podge of mixed metaphors that the modern desktop UI has become, in both Mac and Windows.

I'm reminded of the scene in The Big Lebowski when the protagonists encounter a group of nihilists: say what you will about the desktop metaphor, but at least it's an ethos.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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What I don't like about these Chrome UI's is that they don't respect my OS settings. I am on Windows 7 with the classic NT skin. iTunes and Chrome are one of the few programs that don't respect this skin. While in this case it is simple user preference, in other cases it could mean an accessibility concern, or even give room to malicious attacks: With all these custom browser skins, pop-ups over the HTML body (link d…

That's because you mistakenly think Chrome is a Windows app, a Mac app, and a Linux app. It's not. It's an operating system that runs on top of those. They aren't going to, and shouldn't, waste their time trying to mimic UI decisions for various OSes. They aren't trying to be like Seesmic or Evernote (meaning, they aren't trying to be an "app").

I assumed your parent post did not mean Chrome the app, he meant chrome the UI concept. Of Firefox. But I think I was wrong and he does mean Chrome the app. So, wtf? Off topic, and confusingly so, since Firefox suffers the same problems, and worse.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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post #108

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The back button is intentionally bigger as it is one of the most used buttons in a browser. In accordance with Fitt's law, the size allows a user to get to it quicker than a smaller button.

I understand the logic of the bigger back button, but I think it is a poor choice. It's rather awkward-looking, but more importantly it causes the entire toolbar to be several pixels taller. It's an amazing waste of space.

For people who care about such things, you can customize the toolbar and enable "Small Icons".

Re: The future Firefox UI

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post #108

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I understand the logic of the bigger back button, but I think it is a poor choice. It's rather awkward-looking, but more importantly it causes the entire toolbar to be several pixels taller. It's an amazing waste of space.

For people who care about such things, you can customize the toolbar and enable "Small Icons".

Thanks. I don't use Firefox much anymore (I keep it setup to use the corporate proxy for the few things that need that), so I'd forgotten about that option.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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I can't believe nobody's complaining about the missing dedicated search box. I thought that was everyone's big beef with Chrome. Then again, I haven't used Firefox in quite some time so maybe they've already dropped it.

Dramatic decisions are often criticized until people accept it and adapt. I remember reading about how consumers wouldn't be able to adapt to a touch screen phone that didn't have a keyboard option.

I'm sure you'll still find people who can't get used to the touch screen keyboards.

Often it's the vocal minority that we hear loudest.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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post #69

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Which all of 0.0003% of people will actually turn on. It's not so much about me not knowing what is being sent, it's about anything users across the web type into the url box is sent to servers somewhere. It's not information companies need to know, anonymous or not.

I was mainly offering that to address jbk's personal concerns, and agree that as a default setting, it constitutes an unexpected information/privacy leak for most users.

I must thank you for this tip, that will help me quite a lot...

Re: The future Firefox UI

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I agree that these mocks seem to waste space. I much prefer a more compact design.

In these mocks, only the active tab actually looks like a tab. The other tabs visually communicate that they are another interface element all together. I would suggest that all tabs have a full tab outline. Currently, the S-shaped curve on the tabs feels too wide and takes up too much horizontal space. The curve on the corner of the tabs should be sharper to match the rounded corner of the window. The difference in shape of the s-curve near the traffic lights and the s-curve of the tabs is bothersome.

I am quite happy with the way Firefox 5 looks with a custom skin ("Default Mod") and some minor customizations. It would be nice to be able to move the tabs into the title bar to free up a little space.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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post #101
post #95

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> I wish Microsoft would define a robust, standardised set of UI conventions again, based on usability rather than flashy stuff, and then at least stick to it themselves instead of inventing a whole new bunch of tricks for every new version of Office, IE, Visual Studio and so on. This, to me, is one the biggest pluses for Macs at this point. Microsoft keeps trying to reinvent the GUI, but they don't get rid of the ol…

Unfortunately the Delicious Generation (including some of its adherents inside Apple) threw out the HIG. And now we have the weird iOS-OS X hybrid that is Lion.

The HIG is alive and well. Weird textures are annoying but irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Re: The future Firefox UI

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post #102

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I haven't used Lion yet, but from what I've seen, it's still far more consistent than Windows.

This is undoubtedly true (with the flagrant exception of iCal and Address Book), but some of us old-timey Mac users remember a glorious past full of matte gray and a spatial Finder…

iCal and Address Book are perfectly consistent. They use standard control which are clearly identifiable as such.

I think they are ugly but they are certainly not inconsistent.

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