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Israeli Study: Natural Immunity Is 13x Stronger Than Pfizer Covid Shots

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Re: Israeli Study: Natural Immunity Is 13x Stronger Than Pfizer Covid Shots

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nradov wrote: post #32
throwawaycities wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “problem” is that vaccinated people with the virus but experiencing no symptoms is that they still spread it to both unvaccinated and vaccinated alike. While many might not feel sympathy for the unvaccinated, a small % can’t get the vaccination, and there will still be that % of vaccinated people that do have a bad health outcome.

At this point the Delta variant is so contagious that there will be no significant herd immunity effect to protect unvaccinated individuals. They're going to get exposed and infected eventually no matter what we do. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

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Post by sergiotapia »

If you're young and not fat, why would you get the vaccine? Just lose weight and exercise.

If you're a child, why would your parents want you to get vaccinated if there's no risk at all?

I hope these studies are conclusive once and for all.

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Post by throwaway5752 »

I want to ask about source material for a minute. What is ThinkCivics? Why is it reasonable second-hand source for analysis of a non-peer reviewed article? Does it have editorial biases?

I am asking sincerely. It is a new site to me, and I don't know if it is a trustworthy source of information. The site is also unresponsive at the time I'm writing this.

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Post by hurlathroway »

blueyes wrote: post #9

Does this mean that the ideal path for maximum immunity is to get vaccinated and then get a breakthrough infection?

It sounds like that might be our endgame now. If covid becomes endemic, which may be inevitable, then the only question is whether you want your body to be prepared for its first infection or not.

I wonder if this could end up like the 'common cold' coronaviruses, where future generations build up immunity through exposure very early in life, resulting in mild infections in adulthood.

That would beg an interesting question: how lethal would 'common colds' be if we hadn't all been exposed to them multiple times throughout our childhoods?

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Post by muttantt »

viburnum wrote: post #48
muttantt wrote: post #38

I know this is a controversial take, but it should be in our national interest to get young children exposed and gain natural immunity, and avoid giving them the vaccine we have so little long-term data on. According to the CDC, 450 kids (0-18yo) died from Covid-19 since Jan 2020. A total of 4.6M kids tested positive since then. In the much shorter 2017-2018 Flu season, ~650 kids (0-17) died. We really have to keep t…

Right, but those deaths were in an environment when there were interventions to protect people. Take away those interventions and you have more deaths.

Many children already get vaccinated for the Flu, so there were interventions to protect people then too.

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Post by rgbrenner »

can we change the URL to the paper?[0] The "article" is just blog spam consisting of a few quotes from the abstract of the paper. And I had to go find a cached version because the site was down.

0. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

Re: Israeli Study: Natural Immunity Is 13x Stronger Than Pfizer Covid Shots

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Post by Gibbon1 »

nradov wrote: post #43
Gibbon1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you have two options. Either 1) You force everyone to get tested for Covid. Then vaccinate everyone who tests negative. 2) Or you just vaccinate everyone knowing those that had it will just end up with stronger immunity. Seems like 2 is the cheapest most straightforward option.

Those aren't the only options. It would be unethical to force testing on everyone.

You can't trust people to self report having covid. Because a very high percentage will lie about it. Same as rules that allow vaccinated people to not wear masks. Unvaccinate people will up and lie about being vaccinated.
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