It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems.
"Rules for thee, but not for me."
The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks
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#82The Guardian has no problem with the unaccountable power of platforms and banks. The Guardian merely has a problem with this particular application of it.
Absolutely true. Whoever is downvoting leave a comment to explain. Are we okay with banks discriminating against free speech but not against porn?
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that the banks all move in lock step, undermining the basic principle of the free market. If one bank decides it doesn’t want to deal with porn, fine. But when all the banks decide that, that’s very very bad. The cumulative effect is a chilling of protected speech in a way that congress could never legally get away with.
There are lots of payment processors who will deal with explicit content. They tend to be fairly expensive though - partially justified since apparently chargebacks are outlandishly common. For example, CCBill will process essentially anything that isn’t illegal, albeit with 6% fees for “risky” industries and 10-15% fees for “adult” industries. https://ccbill.com/pricing (As an aside, one sort of neat thing about CCB…
This is the dirty little secret that everyone clutching their pearls over the OnlyFans 'scandal' won't talk about. There are plenty of providers who will deal with porn, but porn customers are shit customers who no one wants -- the fraud and chargeback rate is incredibly high so the cost of processing payments is equally high. The advantage that crypto brings to porn payments is not the pretend anonymity, it is that there are no chargebacks so you do not need to deal with fraud prevention.
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#84It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."
There are compelling alternatives for many of the platforms you mention; what was happening to OF amounted to a complete disqualification from infrastructure.
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#85What a thread. Right now literally half the posts are greyed out for saying things I don't understand in the slightest.
Feels like some kind of cultural war is spilling into the site but due to nature of HN, no one is really sharing their actual thoughts on the matter so there's a lot of voting based on subtleties.
Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks
#86It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."
There are compelling alternatives for many of the platforms you mention; what was happening to OF amounted to a complete disqualification from infrastructure.
Insanely wrong, the opposite in fact. Hard to be this wrong on the internet tbh
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
We know exactly what lengths the bankers are willing to go to when securing a profit. The leadership environment literally selects for the sort of people who are willing to throw a family out of their home because the financial implications don't make sense. They aren't fuzzy, friendly "forgive the debt because of religious teachings" people. There is no way there is a moral stand here, the idea is absurd. They're lo…
Or, perhaps, fear of the political bloc that is Evangelical Protestantism in the US? I am not aware of any existing regulations that would make this particularly risky for the banks. I am aware of a very vocal minority that wants to limit sex to heterosexual and procreative (and ideally not fun at all), and then only when the man wants it.
This is probably the regulation you’re unaware of: https://www.wired.com/story/how-a-controversial-new-sex-traf...
I suspect the increased liability risk is the main cause of what we’re seeing.
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#88Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel the influence of the "Christian Taliban" in the ranks of the US government gets underestimated.
Ah, yes, the “Christian Taliban” that is beheading those that disagree with it in broad daylight and broadcasting those beheadings to the rest of the world. Here’s a tip: if you want to be persuasive, try using a little less hyperbole. There may be a point to be made here about the influence of organized religion on U.S. laws, but you’re alienating even those who would be willing to listen to your point by drawing su…
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack...
"Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States."
It's not on the same scale, but the faction clearly exists that would do it if they could get away with it.
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#90The reason the banks, and through the banks OnlyFans, attack sex is because they are accountable, and don't wish to take risks unless they are very profitable risks. The real danger of platforms and banks is how happy they are to censor for the government, or simply the loudest, richest mouth, in order to keep the profit flowing. If you want to fix it, you put in legal protections for people to do business, rather th…
The issue is that the banks all move in lock step, undermining the basic principle of the free market. If one bank decides it doesn’t want to deal with porn, fine. But when all the banks decide that, that’s very very bad. The cumulative effect is a chilling of protected speech in a way that congress could never legally get away with.
What else do they move in lock step on? Isn't that collusion?
Just another reason to smash these banks into a million pieces.