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Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by magicalhippo »

null_object wrote: post #9
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #6

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Yes. People have laughed but my vineyard in Sitka, Alaska will soon be producing world-class Cabs.

> People have laughed but my vineyard in Sitka, Alaska will soon be producing world-class Cabs I had this discussion with a previous CEO at a company I worked for here in Sweden a few years ago: he (being a type-A personality, and also loving fast sports cars) was very upbeat about global warming, and saw it as an opportunity to take over the Mediterranean role of growing grapes, olives and other foods that needed a…

I've said it before, but I think the scientific climate community dropped the ball when talking to the public, focusing only on the average temperature.

Everyone thinks it's like getting a raise, you get a bit more heat each month. That's not how it's gonna go down.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by dubcanada »

unearth3d wrote: post #37
bobbytit wrote: post #21

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The article admitted that there has been a worldwide greening effect from increased co2 levels. The vast majority of plants grow bigger and faster when co2 is between 600 and 1500 ppm.

Above 600 increasingly toxic to us us, and above 300 mineral and protein falls off for most plants. Some plants also become > flammable. Have peer papers if interested.

Falls off? Plants are already flammable…

It’s already above 400, so most plants no longer have protein or minerals?

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by smhost »

Kelteseth wrote: post #32
perfunctory wrote: post #29

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There will be no winners of climate change.

Oh, there are already winners for the past 50 years when you look at all big oil companies.

Maybe. There's a non-zero chance that when younger millenials come to power, they will hunt down oil company insiders and force them to flee to Argentina.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by PYTHONDJANGO »

yosito wrote: post #23

Anyone who knows anything about history knows that which crops are grown where changes over time. It has never been static.

This is like saying "Water was always wet" while people are talking about how to navigate the oceans. Please ask yourself which value it brings to this discussion.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by PYTHONDJANGO »

keewee7 wrote: post #25

Canada, Russia and China seem to be the big winners of climate change. It will be interesting how that changes geopolitical dynamics.

No, there will be no winners at all.

"Winners of climate change" is pure propaganda talk and if you read basic literature about what 2 or 4 degrees more even means you will have a better understanding for that and it will enable you to dismantle that fabricated idea.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by meheleventyone »

option wrote: post #45
TeMPOraL wrote: post #27

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> This does not conflict with trying to slow it. It can, though, so we need to be super careful. It's basic human social dynamics: once someone starts making money from mitigating a problem, they become invested in perpetuating (or even worsening) the problem. When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. But when your lemonade stand starts raking in serious cash, you suddenly want to make sure everyone is being giv…

this can be said about pretty much everything

Yes but perverse incentives like this are very often neglected in peoples happy path analysis.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by meheleventyone »

fy20 wrote: post #43
Scarblac wrote: post #35

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One reason climates won't simply shift is that the length of daytime and the changes in that during the year will stay the same. Sweden will still be very dark during winter and those Mediterranean plants won't necessarily be able to deal with that.

I've seen videos of people in Canada building passive greenhouses to allow them to grow plants that typically require much warmer climates. Whether they grow and whether they taste good is a different question though....

Greenhouses are extremely successful here in Iceland.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by spython »

Landscapes are migrating faster than ever in times of the Anthropocene. They have never been static, but instead moving, mutating and transforming. Only now their migration is greatly accelerated by climate change and other anthropogenic factors.

To complicate things even more, we currently lack a good concept of migration that could be used to describe the migration of landscapes. Even in great old stories of migration and climate catastrophe like that of Noah's Ark, only the animals were ever collected and saved, as if their bodies with the clear physical boundaries were the only thing needed in order for them to survive. As if the landscapes they inhabited would magically reappear after a climate catastrophe. Nobody ever built a Noah's Ark for landscapes.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by chalst »

88840-8855 wrote: post #39
_ph_ wrote: post #33

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It isn't cold. The weather just is miserable. But the average temperatures are still pretty high and way higher than in a bad summer in the 80ies. While I didn't especially appreciate the weather here this year, my plants have been growing like hell, they like the wet and not too cold.

It IS cold compared to the last 20 years AND to other regions in Europe. Can you please stop spreading lies with "it is not cold". Get your facts straight before you post anecdotes that your plants are growing "like hell". https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/german-2021-wheat-crop-to-fa...

Stop accusing other HN posters of "spreading lies", when they are, in fact, looking at the data and arriving at conclusions that differ from yours. Your approach may involve looking at data, but your shrillness shows that your attitude to understanding that data is unscientific.

Re: Climate change will alter where many crops are grown

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Post by PYTHONDJANGO »

LatteLazy wrote: post #48

Im pushing 40 but if i were young I'd become a geneticist. There are fortunes to be made making crops drought/flood/heat/cold/salt resist.

All these crops do not work as you think they should work.

Their function in modern agricultural industry is to chain the farmer to buy more and more chemicals and patented crops.

"Saving the world with gmo crops" is marketing talk by companies that make big money selling these chemicals and crops.

Please check https://www.gmwatch.org/en/ to train your critical thinking.

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