Arm China Has Gone Rogue • Hacker News Board

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by memonkey » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:29 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #538

spats1990 wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I'm surprised by the tone of some of the comments here. The linked article's framing of the story is outright flamebait.

There's a very strong anticommunist view in this tech community, combined with libertarianism and neoliberal economic views. If you add nationalism to the mix, it's fuel on the fire. I don't want to live in an authoritarian society but foaming at the mouth about the CCP is really silly.

In addition, there's a very strong Anti-China view in this community. But the red scare was just an appetizer. The main serving is the anti-communism that has infected the subconscious of Americans who only hear and listen to the media that serves this insanely good propaganda.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by mahkeiro » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

klelatti wrote: post #212

kelnos wrote: post #198

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They could try that, sure, but the "real" Arm would likely sue to stop imports at as many destinations as possible. And they'd probably win those court cases.

As I've said elsewhere: These are not counterfeit goods though. Where has the law been broken in a way that gives Arm the power to act? Probably IP licensed under Chinese law and Arm China will probably get its way in Chinese courts.

They may be and ARM Uk will probably get its way in court outside of China.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by wonnage » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:44 AM UTC

anm89 wrote: post #576

smhost wrote: post #569

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America killed a million Muslims just in the time that I've been alive. China has done nothing so psychopathic and cruel.

Again, laughable. Care to justify that figure? That's not nearly as bad as the 16 billion Uighurs the Chinese have in camps right now.

I think you meant million instead of billion (ironic in a thread quibbling over orders of magnitude)

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by wonnage » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:49 AM UTC

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #338

wonnage wrote: post #290

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You might need to learn Chinese if you're interested in following Chinese business drama.

I take your point, but wouldnt categorize what looks like on paper the largest ever theft of intellectual property in the history of the world as "drama" I would expect some western sources to back those claims. Otherwise they look like run of the mill chinese propaganda

You should seek Chinese sources on this Chinese business story if you want to get closest to the truth.

The xenophobia and racism in this thread is laughable, apparently all mainland Chinese are CCP agents who can't be trusted

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by wonnage » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:53 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #538

spats1990 wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I'm surprised by the tone of some of the comments here. The linked article's framing of the story is outright flamebait.

There's a very strong anticommunist view in this tech community, combined with libertarianism and neoliberal economic views. If you add nationalism to the mix, it's fuel on the fire. I don't want to live in an authoritarian society but foaming at the mouth about the CCP is really silly.

The USA is currently in shambles and all this China bashing is a witch hunt to distract from the problems at home.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by shadilay » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:56 AM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #196

nootropicat wrote: post #173

Diversity happened. Civic nationalism empirically doesn't work [1]. Societies need some level of individual sacrifice for the group to prosper over the long term, and diversity kills the impulse to do that. Favoring the ingroup over the outgroup is a stable state for groups, starting from ants and ending with humans. Trying to eradicate those impulses was perhaps noble, but ended in utter failure. Hapless attempts at…

You are quoting a paper described by the author as "twisted" to make the case against diversity while trying to argue against diversity. > Putnam denied allegations he was arguing against diversity in society and contended that his paper had been "twisted" to make a case against race-based admissions to universities. He asserted that his "extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity…

The paper is comedy gold. The data says one thing but when you read his conclusion one of the reasons he gives to ignore the data is 'ethnic restaurants'. Hilarious. This is not how you're supposed to do science. Data is supposed to inform the conclusion and not the other way around.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by m0zg » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 7:09 AM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #496

thepasswordis wrote: post #396

It really feels like the rest of the world refuses to even try and prevent China from taking over everything.

Maybe Americans should start trying to start more on-shore factories. (Just thinking about that makes me laugh. The environmentalists, the labor folks, the real-estate folks, the local and state tax authorities -- all will either slow things and/or get their cut. From what I understand the sad truth is that the CCP's real economic advantage lies in ignoring the environment, workers rights, and real-estate rights. So…

Don't forget "climate change", which people with "luxury beliefs" believe can just go away if we move all manufacturing to China and make it completely infeasible to do any on-shore manufacturing.

Instead it gets worse, since they won't be subject to any restrictions until IIRC 2030, and you have to burn oil to get stuff from there to here.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by oaiey » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 7:10 AM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #74

barrkel wrote: post #5

This is the standard Chinese operating model, as I understand it. Accept foreign subsidiary investment on condition of 51% Chinese ownership, transfer the technology, then turn around and compete with the parent. It was a similar story with maglev trains.

I’m not familiar with the story around maglev but it is certainly true for conventional high speed rail in China. See stories detailing blatant IP theft and deceptive partnerships such as https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704814204575507... or https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/alstom-and-s... I wonder how this happens. Is it the naivety of leadership at western corporations, or is it simple g…

The maglev was developed by Siemens in the 80s in Germany. It was called Transrapid. But we Germans were motivated to built a single railroad for it. So when Siemens went to China with it, we knew what would happen. Personally, i am kind of grateful that they use the technology instead that it rots away in some storage room in Munich at Siemens.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by tablespoon » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 7:18 AM UTC

wonnage wrote: post #585

ggm wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a very strong anticommunist view in this tech community, combined with libertarianism and neoliberal economic views. If you add nationalism to the mix, it's fuel on the fire. I don't want to live in an authoritarian society but foaming at the mouth about the CCP is really silly.

The USA is currently in shambles and all this China bashing is a witch hunt to distract from the problems at home.

> The USA is currently in shambles and all this China bashing is a witch hunt to distract from the problems at home.

Eh, you're half right. The US is in shambles, but ideological competition from China isn't a distraction. The Chinese government is consciously opposed to many values that Westerners care quite deeply about: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/20/world/asia/chinas-new-lea.... The issue is that, unlike with Soviet Communism, the West may not be able to rise to the occasion this time.

Re: Arm China Has Gone Rogue

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Post by tablespoon » Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 7:20 AM UTC

thepasswordis wrote: post #396

It really feels like the rest of the world refuses to even try and prevent China from taking over everything.

> It really feels like the rest of the world refuses to even try and prevent China from taking over everything.

A capitalist will sell you the noose you hang him with.

One of the cancers the West needs to deal with is people who value capitalism and personal greed over any other commitment, and the lack of political will to contain them.