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Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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I just learned last week that my COVID antibody count from the vaccine is zero. Since I'm on an immunosuppressing medication that wipes out the B cells in my bloodstream, this isn't really all that surprising to me. I learned about this because I'm in a medical study, and other people in the study who take the same medication also don't produce any COVID antibodies in response to the vaccine. What's interesting is th…

Which medication are you using?

Ocrelizumab.

Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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Which medication are you using?

Maybe one for HIV/AIDS? That disease is an eventual death sentence.

MS is autoimmune. HIV/AIDS is a viral infection. The diseases and their treatments are night and day with respect to each other. If by "that disease" you are referring to an HIV infection, then yes, complications from HIV often kill people. If you are referring to MS, not so much, relatively speaking. One study found that people with MS live to be 75.9 years old, on average, compared to 83.4 years old for those without.

Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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I don't think anyone's concerned about IM vs. IN as they are mRNA vs. DNA. The boosters deliver double stranded helix straight to the nucleus like a Windows update. You'd have to pull an Apocalypse Now to roll that back. GM people nobody panics but GM organic food and everyone loses their minds.

You don’t know how vaccines or viruses work, do you?

I know how code works and that DNA is code.

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> I think all the unvaccinated want is the same absolute right to decide the same for themselves. And I, personally, refuse to grant them that courtesy. If you want to smoke twelve packs a day (while living in a country with no healthcare) then feel free buddy - but not getting vaccinated effects everyone - including those who choose to help move us past this pandemic by getting vaccinated. This isn't a question of i…

> And I, personally, refuse to grant them that courtesy. Inalienable human rights are not a courtesy for you to grant.

Refusing vaccination is not an inalienable right in America - the Supreme Court has ruled many times that compelled vaccination is perfectly legal for the government. In fact the anti-vax crowd isn't particularly new in the US - it was present when both polio and MMR were being removed as common causes of death. The only real difference this time around is that anti-vax is considered a political tool by one of the US parties and thus has garnered a false legitimacy.

Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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That is wild. The situation in UK is nowhere near '99% unvaccinated suffer terrible outcome'. On 20th August, Public Health England published a report that is quite a bit more balanced. From Table 5, pp 22-23, Delta cases: overnight inpatient admissions (inclusion#) all ages unknown 99 For all adults percent fully vaccinated is 75%, whereas for https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... https://w…

This may be explained by Simpson's Paradox. Something similar happened in Israel, if you look at the raw case numbers for the current wave, it looks like the vaccine only has a ~67% efficiency: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... The UK and Israel both have very high vaccination rates of older people, and lower fully vaccinated rates of younger people. Someone who is 75 most likely has a m…

Of course Simpson's is heavily at play, of course especially when lumping 75s. Not sure I see how one can get from the (UK) data to statements like 'more than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated', which seems off by at least an order of magnitude.

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What about the Israeli study then.. http://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.spectator.co.uk/arti... It found that double pfizer jabbed people were 13 times more likely to be infected than those who had already recovered.

Not disputing that. Anecdotally in my household: 100% break-through rate (2 Pfizer vaxxed adults and 2 unvaxxed [ineligible] children] all recently caught what we believe to be the delta variant (confirmed via PCR). That said, the vaccine clearly reduced disease severity; all recovered within a few days.

How do you know the vaccine reduced severity? My household of 3 all had it and 2 weren’t aware of it. I had minor symptoms which is the only reason we found out. This was back in 2020 so we were all unvaccinated.

The “b comes after a, so a must imply b” fallacy seems to be everywhere and nobody is calling it out.

Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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You don’t know how vaccines or viruses work, do you?

I know how code works and that DNA is code.

Every viral vaccine works this way, though. Because every virus works this way.

Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

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I know how code works and that DNA is code.

Every viral vaccine works this way, though. Because every virus works this way.

Don't most viruses just deliver mRNA that tells the cell to make more viruseses? I thought only a few, like herpes, deliver dna. That's why it can't be cured. DNA vaccines used to be commonly used on dogs and livestock to prevent things like rabies iiuc. It wasn't until these jensson booster shots that I've seen them being given to people on a large scale. Also there's a big difference when the mRNA and DNA code is emerging organically and when it's being engineering in labs.

Re: Immunity Generated from Covid-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection

#240

I just learned last week that my COVID antibody count from the vaccine is zero. Since I'm on an immunosuppressing medication that wipes out the B cells in my bloodstream, this isn't really all that surprising to me. I learned about this because I'm in a medical study, and other people in the study who take the same medication also don't produce any COVID antibodies in response to the vaccine. What's interesting is th…

"I'm a realist about COVID and realize that some day I'll contract it. The best I can do is make sure I'm otherwise in good shape by eating, sleeping, and exercising right...." My goodness, what a remarkably calm and informed attitude. It's a wonder you're allowed on the internet. By the way, it is theoretically possible that your immune system knows how to make the antibodies, but isn't right now because of the immu…

Just to make sure, the bit about "remarkable calm and informed", was not mean ironically.
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