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> The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and then received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
Get the vaccine.
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> Do individuals have a right to their own body? Insofar as their rights don't impact the rights of others. Individuals have a right to drink alcohol. They do not have a right to then drive a car. Vaccination by mandate is an extension of that reasoning. You have a right not to get vaccinated, but you don't have a right to participate in the public. Because restricting public interaction is neigh impossible (Even wit…
Thanks for your response. >It was not controversial 50, 100, or 150+ years ago to quarantine people However there are unprecedented measures taken today. We're nearly 2 years into lockdowns. Moratoriums on rent, unemployment subsidies, massive increases in gov spending and a host of other unprecedented economic interventions. There are debates over why the least vulnerable, healthy populations are subject to the same…
The studies are still out, but early reports are showing that delta is hitting more than just the old and the fat [1].
In particular, pregnant woman seem to be at particularly high risk of death. [2]
The problem with these communicable disease is they can mutate. Delta appears to be breaking a lot of the older assumptions about who is at risk. Perhaps that's because the older population is better vaccinated than the younger population and delta is just more deadly for all.
> If obesity is a risk factor and we have a "collective responsibility", then why hasn't the gov mandated exercise?
Because whether or not you exercise does not change your ability to spread COVID. It may improve your chances of survival but it does not change the burden one way or another on how you are affecting society around.
Further, it will take months/years to lose enough weight to eventually move out of the risk category for COVID. A vaccine takes minutes.
> And if this were untrue, where would we see this information? Are there no other incentives we should be considering, such as the great reset, vaccine passports, digital ID, CBDCs or even vanilla economic interventions? We're dealing with a trust deficit in public figures and media institutions. It is hard to blame the cynic for previous incidents of propaganda.
The trust problem is precisely from propaganda. It's because, frankly, Trump kept saying "fake news" and casting doubt on experts without a shred of evidence backing his assertions. Pushing untested and unproven medications which ultimately spawned the "ivermectin" crowd which is now taking horse dewormer to try and combat covid.
The deficit because an autocrat got power and pulled the typical move of an autocrat.
The experts have been straight through covid. It's the yellow journalists and russian interference [3] that have been spitting out mistrust where none existed previously.
[1] https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/younger-people-in...
[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-icus-doctor...
[3] https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...
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Nobody died from vaccine but all the weak ones died from first infection so the surviving infected have survivorship bias.
> Nobody died from vaccine That’s not strictly true. There have been deaths, but this can be attributed to components in the vaccines that these unlucky people may have gotten at any time. There have been rare and unusual vaccine caused deaths.
Why is "natural infections and recovery produce a better immune response than a vaccine" so controversial? Has it been this controversial for any other disease?
It’s controversial because nobody can package and sell “natural” immunity. Given that there are about 7.5B people in the world, RNA injections are, apparently, only good for 90 days, and that Pfizer (or someone) gets $20/injection, the market is about $600B a year. Do you remember 20 years ago when the people on TV said that terrorism was an existential and imminent threat and the result was defense and surveillance…
Sure Pfizer makes lot of money from the living, but I guess they will make less money since some of us are no longer among the living.
I guess the funeral industry will be very happy, indeed. The welfare state saves money on not having to care for a sick elderly person...
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You are right, but are you suggesting this should be censored? This is important information that is very relevant to a sizable population.
No, but it should make clear that this study is absolutely not recommending getting infected over getting vaccinated.
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I think it's because people draw the wrong conclusions. Sure, if your body was stuck fighting COVID19 for two weeks and you then survived (i.e. excluding those pesky 700k Americans who didn't make it), then you are better prepared than if your body was stuck "fighting" COVID19 vaccine for half a day (of sleepiness or at most mild fever). The PROBLEM is that people then say "oh well then to protect myself better again…
> Sure, if your body was stuck fighting COVID19 for two weeks and you then survived ... then you are better prepared than if your body was stuck "fighting" COVID19 vaccine for half a day From what I've read, it's less about severity of infection and more about the fact that the vaccine only introduces one specific aspect of the virus (the spike protein) to the immune system, while the actual virus introduces... all o…
Are there credible papers which estimate the percentage of Covid survivors in one or more countries, i.e. those with natural immunity? During the first half of 2020, there were several attempts to estimate these numbers in the USA. Are some regions or countries doing statistical population sampling, e.g. blood tests for antibodies?
To me I think that it's kind of surprising how low the percentages are.
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It's a good idea why, exactly? Because previously-infected people tend to experience worse vaccine side-effects for little to no additional benefit?
> Because previously-infected people tend to experience worse vaccine side-effects for little to no additional benefit? This is not the case. Research it yourself: "Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVI…
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Why do you misinform ? This discusson has already been done here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28317866 The covid vaccine works more like a laser providing immunity to a specific variant. It does not guarantee "some" immunity for the other variants. Instead new vaccines are created to target the other specific variants which is what companies like pfizer already work on by the way.
The discussion on that post seems to support the grandparent, not you. Also, the article it's talking about says > The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection. I.e. the current vaccines are not laser…
In that sense vaccines are more focused, but the focus is on a part of the virus that is critical for getting into cells. There are limits to how far the spike protein can mutate and still do its job and the vaccine immunity covers a large part of that space.
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> 2.5 billion people have had at least one vaccine. Does that mean Lisa Shaw did not die? Or that we would still have known about the cause of her death if she were not well known? Or, is the number of people who are vaccinated enough of a reason to ignore the concerns of people who got Covid19 and recovered? How much of "long Covid19" due to horrendous treatment at hospitals of Covid19 patients with unnecessary intu…
> The clots are considered extremely rare - there have been 417 reported cases and 72 deaths - after 24.8 million first doses and 23.9 million second doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK. That's 72 deaths among millions. You're trying to describe COVID as "given low risk to an otherwise well person", but you're still off by many orders of magnitude. Using this site[1] we see that he current 0-59 death rate is 0…
I made a statement about the percentage of deaths among people over 50 (not death rate).
Computing an IFR (infection fatality rate) is difficult because so many infections are unrecorded. For example, consider this paper[1]:
> We found that these antibodies were present in 42.4% of the individuals tested and that the majority of these infections, which were generally mild, had not been previously detected.
It seems to me a ton of infections occur and go away without anyone recording them. We only see information about infections which result in worse outcomes.
Given the desire to avoid any negative information about vaccine efficacy and safety, it is also reasonable to assume that we are only seeing a smaller number of people who died after the injection.
Especially games played by agencies in how they count the vaccinated (if you die/get sick between your first shot and two weeks after the second shot, you are not counted among the vaccinated) do not instill confidence. The arbitrary insistence in certain areas of the U.S. that even people who've had Covid19 must get vaccinated before they can be allowed to live life breeds suspicion.
PS: Since the beginning, people all over the world suffered and are continuing to suffer under delusional policies implemented to support the fiction that "zero Covid19" is possible if you just "do as I say!" Now, the repeat is coming in the form of "90 - 100% vaccination" where fully vaccinated status seems like it is going to be a moving target. See https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1430186661556727808.html