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Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by tailspin2019 »

after_care wrote: post #49
tailspin2019 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn't. The 2021 .NET ecosystem (post .NET Core transition) is a _very_ different beast. It now works better without the donkey IMHO. EDIT: In fact I wish they'd just shoot the damn donkey and focus more on the laser cannon.

Somewhere around .Net Core 2.1 C# became better without windows (although still best with MSSQL at that time.) The donkey still is important for legacy runtimes, which probably have many decades of lifespan left.

> The donkey still is important for legacy runtimes, which probably have many decades of lifespan left.

Yep you're quite right, and actually the fast-moving, high-churn transition to .NET Core has been tough on devs still working with (now) "legacy" .NET Framework apps - which as you say, will have many years of lifespan remaining if they still fit the purpose for which they were built.

I don't envy those devs (and I do still have some legacy Framework stuff that I provide support for - but not for too much longer thankfully).

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by vondur »

maydup-nem wrote: post #46

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

I thought they learnt their lesson with Windows 8, where they removed the start menu only for it to return in Windows 10?

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by AlexandrB »

logicalmonster wrote: post #32
minikites wrote: post #22

This is too bad. Apple taking the "appliance" path with their computers makes me wish Microsoft would lean into power user features and customization options to play to the strengths and appeal of Windows. I don't think trying to be a worse version of MacOS is a good strategy.

Windows is sort of the default computer choice for a lot of normal, non-technical people, so I can understand that Microsoft wants to simplify things for them by taking some inspiration from MacOS. The problem is that Windows is also used by many businesses, network admins, and tech enthusiasts too. These users are in conflict. What Microsoft should be doing in my opinion is using its Windows Home and Windows Profess…

> Windows is sort of the default computer choice for a lot of normal, non-technical people, so I can understand that Microsoft wants to simplify things for them by taking some inspiration from MacOS.

If this is their motivation they have no clue. What messes the most with normal users is changing familiar functions and metaphors. The cost of adapting to changing UI for normal users is much higher than sticking to an older, even less-optimal, one. Sometimes this even causes a loss of function for that user as they give up on trying to relearn e.g. how to make text bold for nth time.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by maydup-nem »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #58
maydup-nem wrote: post #46

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

The plan was to have the same exact OS on desktops and phones. Around the time Windows RT came out (which was a result of their Windows-on-ARM stuff), that's when they finally stopped using WinCE on their phone hardware and moved to the NT kernel. Of course that's all moot now since they've given up on phones.

That's good to know, OK, same OS, but keeping the same interface?

> Of course that's all moot now since they've given up on phones.

What I rather had in mind was not the interface, but some other things which are "normal" to have on phones: forced updates, impossible to aquire root rights with factory OS, pre-installed shit apps, ads (like on factory-fresh Xiomi, out of the box). So when I saw "ads" and I know the updates are forced, that's where I meant PCs are becoming more like smartphones.

That smartphones are unlikely to become more like PCs is an issue of hardware.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by thaumasiotes »

bloopernova wrote: post #24

I gave up on Windows after version 11 got pushed to my personal workstation. I had been using the insiders build that updates weekly. I loathed that I was getting app suggestions and ads, and there was a greater loss of control over the operating system. Switched to Fedora latest, haven't looked back.

> I loathed that I was getting app suggestions and ads, and there was a greater loss of control over the operating system.

While it is certainly loathsome, that's not a new feature in Windows 11.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by maydup-nem »

vondur wrote: post #63
maydup-nem wrote: post #46

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

I thought they learnt their lesson with Windows 8, where they removed the start menu only for it to return in Windows 10?

maybe, I haven't seen much Windows since 7, which I am still using for occasional gaming and hobby music production : D

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by thaumasiotes »

hulitu wrote: post #55
thaumasiotes wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I recall, 10 is the final version and all future updates are supposed to occur in 10. ;D

10 is the final 10 version. 11 is a new version.

The announcement at the release of 10 was that 10 was the final version of Windows, not that it was the final version of Windows 10.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by chaircher »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #2

In the lovely bubble that I live in, the “power users” haven’t been using Windows for quite some time now. To Microsoft’s credit, they’ve made it incredibly easy for me, a .NET developer, to not have to use Windows any more. So I am, admittedly, grateful for that.

I definitely wouldn't consider myself a power user but I'm noping out once the Windows 10 machine I'm on reaches the end of it's life
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