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Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by hellbannedguy »

ksec wrote: post #103

>Apple agrees to make sure the search results in the App Store are based on objective criteria. I cant help but laughed when I was reading it. What were they doing before that? I thought the most important part was the next bit, >The settlement, which must be approved by Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, comes as Apple is awaiting a ruling in a separate lawsuit, brought by Fortnite developer Epic Games, which seeks to fo…

"My guess is that the way things are going in these cases are not in Apple's flavour. "

1. I feel this went in Apple's favor.

2. I'm not sure if I got my facts right, but Appe is required to pay developers out of a 100 million fund? 100 million is what they spend on office parties?

3. Offer companies whom are under 1 million in sales, a 15% fee. Biggercompanies are still at 30%.

4. Companies can pay directly. (Yea--I care enough about Epic Games enough to pay them directly? Epic--treat your low level employees better, and I might care? )

Apple seems to have won?

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by phantom784 »

jsnell wrote: post #44
liquidise wrote: post #39

> Developers can communicate directly with customers about alternative payment options. Customers have to consent and be given the right to opt-out. This is a huge step forward (though it falls well short of the ideal case) for iOS development. Having the ability to tell customers about other, often cheaper, payment methods removes a substantial barrier for some apps that have high-priced subscriptions. Positive as t…

What do you think the step forward is here? The developers are still not allowed to communicate about alternate purchase options in the app, they would need to have some other form of communication with the user. Such advertising via side-channels was never forbidden, it's just that it's impractical for most developers to establish that side-channel. I really have to congratulate whoever wrote that press release. The…

Shouldn't be too hard. Collect email when they register, give them a free trial, email them instructions to purchase through your website.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by mikey_p »

mynegation wrote: post #54
jrockway wrote: post #48

> Apple will offer more price points for apps. Today there are less than 100, but the company is committing to increase that to more than 500 options. I really hope they implemented this as an enum, so someone has to wade through: enum PricePoint { UNKNOWN = 0; NINTEY_NINE_CENTS = 1; ONE_DOLLAR = 2; TWENTY_DOLLARS = 3; NINETEY_EIGHT_CENTS = 4; DEPRECATED_NINETY_SEVEN_CENTS = 5; TEN_DOLLARS_PER_MONTH = 6; PORTUGAL_NAT…

Lol, few things trigger my OCD more than misspelled words in identifiers. I legit missed important use case while amending legacy system just because someone decided to have “priveleges” in the variable name. I hope all those ways to spell number 90 are part of the joke.

I once fat-fingered a `rails new APPNAME` command and didn't catch it for several months. Not impossible to change, but also not really critical either.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by Dumblydorr »

ksec wrote: post #103

>Apple agrees to make sure the search results in the App Store are based on objective criteria. I cant help but laughed when I was reading it. What were they doing before that? I thought the most important part was the next bit, >The settlement, which must be approved by Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, comes as Apple is awaiting a ruling in a separate lawsuit, brought by Fortnite developer Epic Games, which seeks to fo…

What is Apple's rationale for saying that apps can not charge within themselves? The intention is to make more money, but what is the stated reason? Couldn't Apple make plenty by charging up-front to install things, for the "utility" of it's marketplace and userbase? I struggle understanding why Apple should get every right to money exchanged within apps they didn't program or administer.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

ffhhj wrote: post #194
ballenf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point most students learning about that number assume it's misspelled when first introduced and incorrect the teacher.

That's so discorrect.

Reminds me of the occasional encounter with "deinstall" versus "uninstall."

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by sls »

dhosek wrote: post #209
Razengan wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I think it may be question whether the problem lies with English itself. Such an error prone language.

You don't know the half of it. Many contemporary and common words are the results of misspellings. “a nickname” was originally “an ekename” (eke being an old English word meaning also) conversely, “an apron” was originally “a napron.” English is a weird agglomeration of different languages, with things like the application of French-style plurals (-s) to Anglo-Saxon words (but not always, cf. ox -> oxen) and a genera…

It's not really misspellings, it's reanalysis, and it's not at all particular to English.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by whatevrrjsa »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #231
ksec wrote: post #103

>Apple agrees to make sure the search results in the App Store are based on objective criteria. I cant help but laughed when I was reading it. What were they doing before that? I thought the most important part was the next bit, >The settlement, which must be approved by Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers, comes as Apple is awaiting a ruling in a separate lawsuit, brought by Fortnite developer Epic Games, which seeks to fo…

"My guess is that the way things are going in these cases are not in Apple's flavour. " 1. I feel this went in Apple's favor. 2. I'm not sure if I got my facts right, but Appe is required to pay developers out of a 100 million fund? 100 million is what they spend on office parties? 3. Offer companies whom are under 1 million in sales, a 15% fee. Biggercompanies are still at 30%. 4. Companies can pay directly. (Yea--I…

30% of that fund is going to lawyers

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by whatevrrjsa »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #50

I don’t understand, what is a potential class action lawsuit? In any case, as a game dev, this deal seems bad. This is status quo. I vote no.

A bunch of people sue together and a lawyer represents them. Instead of taking it to court where apple could lose /riskier they took money from apple and small concessions that arent significant

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Post by horsawlarway »

post_break wrote: post #3

I love how in their press release they say: "The terms of the agreement will help make the App Store an even better business opportunity for developers, while maintaining the safe and trusted marketplace users love." This is going to make the App Store even better! You're going to love it! (not because we did this on our own, but because we saw the writing on the wall and were forced to). I can't stand how they are b…

As a developer - I don't understand how any developer still holds Apple in good faith.

Literally every step they have taken over the last 8 years has been miserable for independent developers trying to release products on Apple devices.

- Random API shutoff and access changes

- Documentation used to be okayish, is now mostly trash

- Absolutely hostile to virtualization for device testing and deployment pipelines

- Forced payments, tied hands for external payments

- Forced integration of Apple specific features (sign-ups as an example)

- A clear habit of copying successful apps, recreating a mediocre in-house version, then bumping you WAY down below the "Apple" version of your app in the store

And I'm not even talking about the store fees, which in my opinion amount to extortion since they prohibit any other installation method.

I can vaguely understand why some users like Apple, since they market very well.

But as a dev - Apple is literally the fucking devil. They will screw you over at every turn, often with nothing but automated responses, and have a complete disregard for you, your users, and your products.

I wish them a FUCKING HARD fall from grace here. Apple is not a nice company. Apple is a fucking mob extortionist with a great PR story.

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