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Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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That’s why I use basecamp - they’re explicit and clear about staying small and profitable enough, with zero ambition for infinite growth.

The company I work use basecamp and I love it! The only thing I wish it had is subcomments like slack.

What are subcomments - nested comments?

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #451

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> I have a bad feeling about this. Discord essentially does one thing really well. I don't want to see it go down the way of so many chat platforms trying to be everything and becoming a bloated mess. IRC does one thing and does it well. Discord is the bloated mess.

> IRC does one thing and does it well. Unfortunately, the one thing that it does well (chat, and nothing else) is supported by a dozen things that it does terribly, and support for them has been hacked on top of the chat features in most places. Bouncers, persistency, rich media (youtube/twitter/image embeds come to mind), mobile accessibility, presence, the ease of channel ownership... these are all things that IRC…

If Discord just solved some of IRCs problems I'd be with it. But it's such a regression. I don't want to run another browser process just for chat. I don't want to see people's pictures (on IRC, everyone is equal). I don't want embedded videos or childish stickers or anything else.

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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I’ve used discord for a long time and greatly prefer it to slack, teams and Mattermost (the three competitors I’ve used most often). Ironically the only think stopping me from strongly advocating for its adoption in business is that I’m already a user! Much like GitHub and to a lesser extent teams, they seem to not get the idea that I have different personas related to different parts of my life that absolutely shoul…

I've switched to Jami and was pleasantly surprised that I was be able to create multiple accounts in seconds. You can even have a video conference between your multiple accounts!

It's now my first choice chat app, but there's no social features so it's nowhere near a full replacement for Discord.

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #344

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There are so many different varieties of sense of humor. It varies from culture to culture, generation to generation, family to family, and person to person. It's one thing if a joke is actually harmful, of course. But, beyond that, I'd say that denigrating someone else's way of being whimsical is a specific subspecies of taking yourself too seriously.

The person you are responding to did not denigrated anything. He responded to claim that if someone does not like those messages, then he "take himself too seriously". The response simple explained that author find those jokes unfunny. As you said, humor varies from culture to culture, generation to generation, family to family, and person to person. That implies that not liking some kind of humor is completely valid…

There's a difference, though, between simply not liking some kind of humor, and publicly making fun of it.

I generally think that this advice is over-simplistic, but this tends to be a situation where the, "If you can't say anything nice, just don't say anything," principle really is a good rule of thumb.

It's perhaps even worse if you try to make your criticism amusing. Scalzi has a good explanation of why: https://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/06/16/the-failure-state-of-...

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #356

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> capitalism disincentivises companies from serving their customers well, but instead incentivizes gaming the system. If there is a system, people will try to game it. Whether in capitalism or communism or any other system of rules.

Of course. But I'm talking about being rewarded due to inherent rewards associated in the system by gaming it. There is a difference between a system that punishes bad behavior vs. a system that rewards it.

different systems will punish / reward different kinds of bad behaviour so its tit for tat. the only system that could uniformly punish bad behaviour and reward good would be one controlled by a god like being.

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #363
post #329

I just wish it would close when you click the X. Instead it minimizes. Steam does this too, I can't believe Microsoft allows this behavior.

Then open the settings and turn off Minimize to Tray?

No such option on Steam.

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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They have a lot of issues if they "want everybody else on Discord" They cancelled an account of mine because it shared a phone number with a secondary account of mine. (1 for work; 1 for personal use.) Support said "Account ban is valid - FRAUD/SPAM" with no ability to have a conversation with them or escalate. My cellphone number is now blacklisted for SMS validation. Incredibly weird. No support for their products, not really.

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #344

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The person you are responding to did not denigrated anything. He responded to claim that if someone does not like those messages, then he "take himself too seriously". The response simple explained that author find those jokes unfunny. As you said, humor varies from culture to culture, generation to generation, family to family, and person to person. That implies that not liking some kind of humor is completely valid…

There's a difference, though, between simply not liking some kind of humor, and publicly making fun of it. I generally think that this advice is over-simplistic, but this tends to be a situation where the, "If you can't say anything nice, just don't say anything," principle really is a good rule of thumb. It's perhaps even worse if you try to make your criticism amusing. Scalzi has a good explanation of why: https://…

If you insult someone for not liking the humor, it fair play from them to make fun of you back. And that comment was not making fun, it was expressing how that humor comes off.

Because what you want here is one sided "one side get to insult the other, but other is expected to not even express their opinion."

Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #68
post #38

Every single Discord-related post here I see comments about the "bad ux". I'm a heavy Discord user and I have no complaints with the UX, I find it pretty intuitive to be honest. I'm also constantly seeing people in shock that people would choose to use Discord over IRC/Matrix/Teamspeak/Mumble. I find Discord to be light years ahead of anything else available, and for an average person who's going to have a hard time…

Tried to ask the Matrix devs about room emotes being broken on Android (though they work on web) and they just ignored me completely. Matrix is simply half baked and somehow barely works so that I keep using it. But they aren't even close to the point where things just work.

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Re: Discord has won over gamers. Now it wants everybody else

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post #356

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Of course. But I'm talking about being rewarded due to inherent rewards associated in the system by gaming it. There is a difference between a system that punishes bad behavior vs. a system that rewards it.

different systems will punish / reward different kinds of bad behaviour so its tit for tat. the only system that could uniformly punish bad behaviour and reward good would be one controlled by a god like being.

No system is perfect, of course, but I do think the people need a stronger democratic voice. A few big consolidated megacorporations make countless non-democratic decisions that affect huge amounts of people. Companies having are too much power in our society, considering that their motives mainly with the shareholders, not the population as a whole. I think we could at least do a bit better on it, even if its through slow reforms. Politics is probably complicated enough subject that I doubt we'll ever be perfect at it, but at least we could do a better job in mitigating their worst behaviours through legislation? I mean, the ultra-rich don't even pay any taxes, how fair is that?
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