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Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by arghwhat »

skinkestek wrote: post #186
arghwhat wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, the blatant lies in VPN ads. "MAKES IT SO YOUR ISP CAN'T SEE YOUR TRAFFIC" - yeah, congrats, now it's just another ISP that sees your traffic, which was probably protected by TLS anyway... Heck, they even keep recommending the utility of Terms of Service violations like accessing contents from other regions. VPN companies are scammy as hell.

> Heck, they even keep recommending the utility of Terms of Service violations like accessing contents from other regions. You mean helping helpless US companies who doesn't understand that Europeans can understand English? Or actually get the full database of movies when we pay the full price for Netflix? Yeah, shame on us. PS: I don't use VPNs to access Netflix, I just don't care to look at it anymore and one day I…

Not that I personally care if individuals violate terms of service, but using that in a sales pitch seems akin to advertising for piracy services.

Abiding by the terms of the agreement which you enter into with the company providing the service is a requirement to continue service and/or avoid liability, irrespective of whether it includes completely idiotic and archaic business practices and irrespective of whether this causes harm.

And yes, I also find Netflix to have extremely limited value.

This isn't the right way to overturn stupidity.

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaab »

azinman2 wrote: post #27
banana_giraffe wrote: post #11

One of the nice features added to yt-dlp recently: It integrates with sponskrub to call into the SponsorBlock database and with the right options will strip the sponsor segments from downloaded videos. Edit: Correct typo

Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip, I want indie people to make enough money to produce high quality content; otherwise media is just what a few biggies want to fund. They’re not enough from YouTube itself unless you’re in the top percentile. Also what sponsored content are people downloading versus just streaming live? I don’t get the use case.

I never buy anything based on ads, so it makes no difference for the advertiser whether I remove the sponsored part or not, they won’t see a dime from me either way.

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by TeMPOraL »

azinman2 wrote: post #27
banana_giraffe wrote: post #11

One of the nice features added to yt-dlp recently: It integrates with sponskrub to call into the SponsorBlock database and with the right options will strip the sponsor segments from downloaded videos. Edit: Correct typo

Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip, I want indie people to make enough money to produce high quality content; otherwise media is just what a few biggies want to fund. They’re not enough from YouTube itself unless you’re in the top percentile. Also what sponsored content are people downloading versus just streaming live? I don’t get the use case.

> Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip

Well, yes. Skipping involves effort. If I wanted to engage my hands with the content, I would've opted for a book, not a video.

Anyway, actual sponsor parts I can stand. They're at least somewhat interesting, by virtue of being unexpected. Like, who is this video sponsored by this time? Or, why this well-known and otherwise respected science/technology video vlogger keeps advertising scummy VPN services?

What I can't stand is the "like and subscribe" dance. It's just completely mind-dumbing. Yes, I know you have a Patreon, it's in the video description. Yes, I know where the stupid "bell icon" is, I don't need unsolicited YouTube UI 101 lessons. No, I'm not going to click anyway, because I'm here for a particular video, not the whole channel.

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ajdude wrote: post #58
azinman2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip, I want indie people to make enough money to produce high quality content; otherwise media is just what a few biggies want to fund. They’re not enough from YouTube itself unless you’re in the top percentile. Also what sponsored content are people downloading versus just streaming live? I don’t get the use case.

I always remember the HN comment[0] where developer explained which video was the breaking point that pushed them into creating this app, and it was kurzgesagt of all authors. I am personally wondering if Yourube themselves are going to start implementing some thing like this sooner or later; after all, you are paying for an ad free experience on YouTube premium, just to watch all of those new videos become filled wi…

Holy shit. Kurzgesagt of all things, indeed. It's the one channel where I could actually stand their sponsor section. Most other channels I know do much worse. But I guess the video referenced was kind of low, surprisingly low.

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

#235

Post by Popegaf »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #233
azinman2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip, I want indie people to make enough money to produce high quality content; otherwise media is just what a few biggies want to fund. They’re not enough from YouTube itself unless you’re in the top percentile. Also what sponsored content are people downloading versus just streaming live? I don’t get the use case.

> Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip Well, yes. Skipping involves effort. If I wanted to engage my hands with the content, I would've opted for a book, not a video. Anyway, actual sponsor parts I can stand. They're at least somewhat interesting, by virtue of being unexpected. Like, who is this video sponsored by this time? Or, why this well-known and otherwise respected science/tec…

Considering the current system and real options that they have right now, what are they supposed to do if they want to earn money (or even a living) making videos that will make you happy?

Perhaps more importantly, would you give them money?

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by Popegaf »

azinman2 wrote: post #27
banana_giraffe wrote: post #11

One of the nice features added to yt-dlp recently: It integrates with sponskrub to call into the SponsorBlock database and with the right options will strip the sponsor segments from downloaded videos. Edit: Correct typo

Are the sponsor parts really so bad? To me not only is it easy to skip, I want indie people to make enough money to produce high quality content; otherwise media is just what a few biggies want to fund. They’re not enough from YouTube itself unless you’re in the top percentile. Also what sponsored content are people downloading versus just streaming live? I don’t get the use case.

While watching live, probably not, but once downloaded they lose value, don't they?

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mschuster91 wrote: post #104
Scaevolus wrote: post #20

> NEW FEATURES > Cookies from browser: Cookies can be automatically extracted from all major web browsers using --cookies-from-browser BROWSER[:PROFILE] Very nice. Having to manually copy cookies to get past login walls is annoying.

As much as I like this feature, it is scary on the other side how easy it is to essentially steal cookies - what yt-dlp can, so can malware. Why don't OSes have some sort of system-wide secret store linked to an user's account (like the macOS Keychain) and an application's code-signing certificate? That would at least prevent easy file-dump attacks, moving the barrier to "execute something in the browser process cont…

Oh yes, that's what I need as a user: files on my drive that I can't read.

It's enough that I already can't read the data that's being sent and received by my own computer, because of certificate pinning.

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

#238

Post by Cederfjard »

skinkestek wrote: post #186
arghwhat wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, the blatant lies in VPN ads. "MAKES IT SO YOUR ISP CAN'T SEE YOUR TRAFFIC" - yeah, congrats, now it's just another ISP that sees your traffic, which was probably protected by TLS anyway... Heck, they even keep recommending the utility of Terms of Service violations like accessing contents from other regions. VPN companies are scammy as hell.

> Heck, they even keep recommending the utility of Terms of Service violations like accessing contents from other regions. You mean helping helpless US companies who doesn't understand that Europeans can understand English? Or actually get the full database of movies when we pay the full price for Netflix? Yeah, shame on us. PS: I don't use VPNs to access Netflix, I just don't care to look at it anymore and one day I…

I think you know that geo-blocking is due to licensing agreements with copyrights holders, which is a tangled mess in itself, not that streaming platforms believe that the content won’t be appreciated by foreign audiences. Most of what’s on them over here is already in English anyway. Besides, I don’t think Americans have access to 100% of the content available on Netflix worldwide, either.

That said, I agree that it’s ridiculous if you take a step back, and in a sane world we wouldn’t have these types of restrictions. But it’s an artifact of an old, complicated system and isn’t something Netflix or anyone else can unilaterally fix.

I also agree with arghwhat that marketing your service as a way to violate another business’ terms of service doesn’t come across as serious, even if it’s not something I’d necessarily have a problem with personally.

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

#239

Post by Popegaf »

mschuster91 wrote: post #104
Scaevolus wrote: post #20

> NEW FEATURES > Cookies from browser: Cookies can be automatically extracted from all major web browsers using --cookies-from-browser BROWSER[:PROFILE] Very nice. Having to manually copy cookies to get past login walls is annoying.

As much as I like this feature, it is scary on the other side how easy it is to essentially steal cookies - what yt-dlp can, so can malware. Why don't OSes have some sort of system-wide secret store linked to an user's account (like the macOS Keychain) and an application's code-signing certificate? That would at least prevent easy file-dump attacks, moving the barrier to "execute something in the browser process cont…

1. Other OSes (at least linux) have user keychains.

2. Once malware is running as your user, how do you expect to protect against that even with a keychain? They can log all your keystrokes, extract certificates and keys from applications running as your user or anything your user has access to, etc.

3. How are you going to support different keychains on different OSes? And what happens when they diverge? Say Apple gets "brave" again and allows only Apple signed binaries to access the keychain with the excuse of "user security", will binaries have to roll their own keychain? Are you going to make apps add another corporate dependency?

Re: Yt-dlp – A YouTube-dl fork with additional features and fixes

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Post by TeMPOraL »

formerly_proven wrote: post #29
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #26

haven't paid attention to this since all the drama last year but again - what are all of you using youtube-dl for? Archiving your channel subs?

My experience is that the internet is really bad at forgetting the stuff you want gone, but really good at turning all your bookmarks into 404s and parked domains (another reason why bookmarks are pretty much worthless). So if you don't save it, it'll be gone next time you're trying to look it up. Doubly so if it is something even mildly controversial (now or then).

> Doubly so if it is something even mildly controversial (now or then).

Triply so if it's hosted by a corporation.

Looking at you, Microsoft. For all the good[0] things you're doing for developers using your platforms, I'm still angry at the way your documentation links rot. It seems that everything that ever linked to MSDN prior to ~2015 will now have their links redirected to 404 or "buy new Surface" page. Hell, plenty of internal links are broken too. It's particularly apparent when trying to read about C++ and COM (vs. C#/.NET, which seems to be MS's main focus).

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[0] - In a pragmatic, day-to-day dev experience sense. Explicitly not talking about wider ethical issues here.

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