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Post by mbrodersen »

bobthechef wrote: post #311
whymauri wrote: post #51

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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

> COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. Gen-Z is less sexually active than previous generations. Significantly so. They've been exposed to porn at an earlier age (owing to earlier access to the internet and the ubiquity of pornography online). Porn use was already common among them. The lockdown made things worse, but the status quo was already in place. > There's huge groups that are/were unemployed an…

Surely this is a joke? The amount of tin foil thinking going on is jaw dropping. I am imagining a crazy homeless guy screaming to people walking by while reading this.

Re: OnlyFans drops planned porn ban

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Post by webinvest »

quantumBerry wrote: post #831
nemothekid wrote: post #691

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> I don’t understand why they don’t just use Bitcoin or some other crypto, seems like this is the exact use case it was designed for The most popular options, BTC & ETH, are incredibly expensive for $20 subscription payments.

So pay with LTC or XMR instead? There are plenty of high liquidity coins with low transaction fees, these are just a couple examples. If the alternative is to not cam at all it seems pretty obvious, even if you are unbanked and get hit with 7% fees from an ATM or crypto-fiat in person moneychanger. It's also trivial to exchange BTC to LTC (or other low fee coin), you don't even need KYC or in some cases to even use a…

No. Ones with transaction fees under $3.

Re: OnlyFans drops planned porn ban

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Post by chrismcb »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #965
roenxi wrote: post #955

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> What are the problems with this? The fundamental trust of copyright is literally to make things worse for consumers to the benefit of producers. If you see consumers being inconvenienced in an expensive way as a problem then you haven't engaged with the problem copyright is here to solve.

[I fear you were being sarcastic, but in any case ...] Copyright is to enrich the public domain. It's foundation in the West is Queen Anne's statute which followed on from printmakers making their own regulations. It shifted power from the printmakers to the creators, buy it served the public domain by having a limited period of protection and by preserving copies of works which could be referenced. It made things be…

I'm the US copyright is to allow creators control over their creation, for a time, presumably so the can monetize it. This incentives creators to create. Yes, in the long run, public domain wins. But so do the creators. Forcing them to sell to everyone takes a lot of control away from the copyright holders.

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Post by fragmede »

bigdollopenergy wrote: post #762
cletus wrote: post #552

Does anyone think this was a failed pivot from the p0rn and the backlash was so great that they backpedaled? It actually reminds me of Ebay. Ebay became big with online auctions but as soon as they did they seemed to want to no longer be in the auction business. Instead they wanted to be in the online retail business. Maybe because there was more money per customer. Maybe because online retail was larger. Personally…

Doubt it. This IMO is probably the best PR maneuver ever conceived. I doubt they ever planned to do it. The BBC was just about to release a long-researched exposé about all the moderation issues they have and how child porn and abuse were going unchecked on their platform. This was a supposed to be a huge deal that could destroy them if the media at large rallied around that story like they did with Pornhub. By makin…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

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Post by yvdriess »

lostandbored wrote: post #791
yvdriess wrote: post #291

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Not Germany, but similar situation in Belgium: Skilled crafts here can generate a more money in the first 10-20 years of a career than what you make with a university degree desk job. One factor is that you can get into the labor force much earlier, don't neglect that 3-5 years head start when saving for your first house loan. After that, it depends if you're doing the extra hours, weekend and night shifts. After tha…

Your comment was cut off at the end, mate.

Right you are!

+ the aging work force.

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Post by ckdarby »

_nalply wrote: post #149
ckdarby wrote: post #86

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With all the PR a major bank that deals with high risk would have stepped in. There is too much volume and processing to turn a blind eye from this deal. It should be noted that the cams see a lot lower chargebacks than subscriptions because of the shady tactics a lot of subscription adult sites use. Example would be not noticing a "$1 trial" addon being offered that recurs at like $44.95/month. The rest of the charg…

What do you think what they will do to handle the high risk?

The risk in this kind of model was much lower when I worked at the payment processor. Direct content like this was always lower chargebacks than subscriptions/trials.

OnlyFans should be aggressively poaching people from the other companies in this space but pay them SF salaries. The expertise they'll get hiring existing employees in the space will help them.

If you've already worked in this industry you'll know to do 3ds/3dsv2 to shift some liability to issuing banks. The card networks have different rules based off their region like MC NA and MC Europe. There are some loopholes to shifting your acquiring process into other regions to get more liability shift as a merchant. Bin routing to maximize your approval ratio, the higher your non-chargeback volume the easier it is to deal with the chargeback volume.

Introduce micro transactions to pad volume. Users less likely to chargeback you want to have each micro transaction as a standalone charge because it increases your volume at the cost of additional card fees. Users unknown or likely to chargeback you want to "batch" or roll these charges into a single charge because then it is only a single chargeback that can happen instead of multiple smaller ones.

Plenty of other stuff...

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Post by e40 »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #973
e40 wrote: post #686

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I had completely stopped downloading movies in 2018, and even for that year, I downloaded very few. I had been tapering off since 2015. These are real numbers from my NAS. I got a seedbox 2 months ago. This was my last straw: trying to rent some movie on Amazon and was told I had to subscribe to some service to watch it--there was no price to watch it once. The other things I did recently: 1) paused Google YTTV becau…

Still an anecdote... And, no qualms of conscience there at all?

Why would I? Most of the content on my PLeX is paid for elsewhere. And, anything I pirate which I like I buy. I watched _Pig_ and immediately went to Amazon and paid $14.99 for it. If I pirate something that is terrible, there's no point.

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Post by jfoster »

jliptzin wrote: post #984
jfoster wrote: post #849

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That would make sense from a perspective of the transactions being higher risk, so higher transaction fees could cover the additional risk. Why would they not have explored that option in the first place, though?

Probably just a ploy to make the payment processors think they would actually go through with banning porn on their platform. No one actually cares about the porn except a very small percentage of mostly religious nut jobs. They just wanted more money.

Certain categories (porn, gambling, etc) of payments reportedly have a lot more fraud associated with them. If that's true, it makes sense for this to just be settled through a rate-card.

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Post by zbentley »

bobthechef wrote: post #311
whymauri wrote: post #51

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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

> COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. Gen-Z is less sexually active than previous generations. Significantly so. They've been exposed to porn at an earlier age (owing to earlier access to the internet and the ubiquity of pornography online). Porn use was already common among them. The lockdown made things worse, but the status quo was already in place. > There's huge groups that are/were unemployed an…

So... "if only people weren't so busy wanking and fantasizing about sex they'd get out of the house and have a revolution."

Ridiculous.

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Post by nomel »

aunty_helen wrote: post #904
nomel wrote: post #822

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Telling your source of revenue that they're being removed from the platform, prompting many to seek other platforms, and absolutely destroying their confidence, is not a sane viral marketing move. I don't think they're that disconnected from reality. This is like threatening to raise taxes to attract corporations.

Look at how many times youtube has pissed off creators. They have a monopoly and they know it. OnlyFans will still be good money and still be able to attract new people willing to take their clothes off and cash in.

I think these are different.

Youtube content discovery is mostly through the algorithm. For OnlyFans, it seems to be mostly through outside promotion. If your ability find new members is all on you, I doubt it matters, as much, where you go.

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