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Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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> Developers can communicate directly with customers about alternative payment options. Customers have to consent and be given the right to opt-out. This is a huge step forward (though it falls well short of the ideal case) for iOS development. Having the ability to tell customers about other, often cheaper, payment methods removes a substantial barrier for some apps that have high-priced subscriptions. Positive as t…

What do you think the step forward is here? The developers are still not allowed to communicate about alternate purchase options in the app, they would need to have some other form of communication with the user. Such advertising via side-channels was never forbidden, it's just that it's impractical for most developers to establish that side-channel. I really have to congratulate whoever wrote that press release. The…

Agreed. This is just about the very least Apple could do.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#82
post #22

I guess you can look forward to a check for $2.12 in the mail. Feels like Apple's highfalutin way of mocking devs.

yep. Class action lawsuits are almost always a scam. I remember when I was a kid my parents bought a Kodak instant film camera. Polaroid sued them. As part of the settlement Kodak gave customers... coupons for a discount on Kodak branded batteries and a specific model of camera my parents could never find in stock.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#83
post #78
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Apple press release and term changes are super confusing. Probably designed to be confusing. Let's look into them. First, let's take the old terms. App Store guidlines point 3.1.3 from 2020-11-28: [1] Apps in this section cannot, either within the app or through communications sent to points of contact obtained from account registration within the app (like email or text), encourage users to use a purchasing met…

> What a bizarre paragraph. First it explicitly makes it clear that it's forbidden to send the payment information using contact information obtained via the app. However the last sentence is a generic statement that seems to contradict that. Does Apple mean that you can only use contact information obtained elsewhere? That would then match the previous terms. So it's probably that. However it is worded in such a hor…

It seems to me that paragraph hasn't been updated to reflect the settlement terms yet, since the settlement was filed today?

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#84
post #46

The same federal judge is hearing the Apple-Epic case and a ruling could come at any time. I suppose this is not unusual, but is it ever considered to not have a judge hear more than one case by a party?

Well, there's only a limited number of federal district judges in a given jurisdiction, so the odds are that a bunch of tech companies going at each other in California will get in front of the same federal judge.

However, I'd argue it's also beneficial: Having two different judges rule radically differently on very similar cases (this one and Epic) would only create more confusion, as to what the ruling is, or should be. If either party doesn't think the judge is going to make the right ruling, there's jury trials, and of course, they can always appeal.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#85

I don't understand why the App Store, this small "side business" in the grand scheme of things, is something Apple is worth fighting and dying over. It's literally, a small fraction of their revenue, and yet it grabs 80% of the bad PR and is now under investigation and proposed legislation in the US, UK, EU, Korea, and I think Australia. If I'm Apple, shouldn't it be obvious at this point that losing the App Store mo…

It's not fair to be called a side project at this point, it's used to mediate all software on a computing device used by over a billion people

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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Some more information I got from reading the Preliminary Approval Order

Every iOS app developer is automatically included in the class unless she objects to being included, i.e., requests to be excluded.^1 The entire class is represented by two representative members.^2 They in turn are represented by legal counsel selected by a judge.

The settlement approval is still preliminary. It will remain preliminary for several months and still needs to be finally approved by the court. Any app developer can object to the agreement in the meantime.^3

Unless an app developer requests to be excluded from the class, then if no developers object to the settlement agreement and it is approved, she will be bound by the terms of the agreement.

Unless I am mistaken, it is possible the agreement could, e.g., limit her right to take part in lawsuits against Apple in the future, among other things. Question for the reader: Should an iOS developer/Apple read that agreement. A copy will be published online within the next 45 days.^4

App developers have the next 105 days to request to be excluded from the class and/or object to the agreement as well to the fees to be paid to the lawyers representing the class.

1. "Any person who desires to request exclusion from the Settlement Class must do so by 105 days from the entry of this Preliminary Approval Order, and such request for exclusion shall be in the form of a letter mailed or otherwise delivered to the Settlement Administrator stating that the person wants to be excluded from the Cameron et al. v. Apple Inc., Case No. 4:19-cv-03074-YGR (N.D. Cal.) settlement, and the letter must include the persons name and address,and identify all of the persons Apple Developer Accounts. All persons who submit valid and timely requests for exclusion shall have no rights under the Settlement Agreement, shall not share in the distribution of the settlement funds, and shall not be bound by the final judgments relating to Defendant Apple Inc. entered in the litigation"

"All written objections and supporting papers must (a) clearly identify the case name and number (Donald R. Cameron, et al. v. Apple Inc., Case No. 4:19-cv-03074-YGR), (b) be submitted to the Court either by mailing them to the Class Action Clerk, United States District Court for the Northern District of California, 1301 Clay St, Oakland, CA 94612, or by filing it in person at any location of the United States District Court for the Northern District of California; and (c) be filed or postmarked on or before 105 days from the entry of this Preliminary Approval Order"

2. The two app developers who are acting as class representatives for all iOS app developers are: David R Cameron and Pure Sweat Basketball, Inc.

3. See #1

4. It will be published at this address: https://smallappdeveloperassistance.com

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#87
post #78
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This Apple press release and term changes are super confusing. Probably designed to be confusing. Let's look into them. First, let's take the old terms. App Store guidlines point 3.1.3 from 2020-11-28: [1] Apps in this section cannot, either within the app or through communications sent to points of contact obtained from account registration within the app (like email or text), encourage users to use a purchasing met…

> What a bizarre paragraph. First it explicitly makes it clear that it's forbidden to send the payment information using contact information obtained via the app. However the last sentence is a generic statement that seems to contradict that. Does Apple mean that you can only use contact information obtained elsewhere? That would then match the previous terms. So it's probably that. However it is worded in such a hor…

The way I interpret it is that you can email all your free users at the same time, with the below email, but you can't target individuals users and email them one at a time. My guess is what they are trying to avoid is a flow of: user signs up for free account with email => you inbox them saying:

  Subject: save 30% over in-app prices!
  Body:
  "don't pay through the app, use this link to our website"

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#88
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What a bizarre paragraph. First it explicitly makes it clear that it's forbidden to send the payment information using contact information obtained via the app. However the last sentence is a generic statement that seems to contradict that. Does Apple mean that you can only use contact information obtained elsewhere? That would then match the previous terms. So it's probably that. However it is worded in such a hor…

It seems to me that paragraph hasn't been updated to reflect the settlement terms yet, since the settlement was filed today?

That seems to be the case yes. The settlement hasn't been approved yet either.

Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

#89

> Apple will offer more price points for apps. Today there are less than 100, but the company is committing to increase that to more than 500 options. I really hope they implemented this as an enum, so someone has to wade through: enum PricePoint { UNKNOWN = 0; NINTEY_NINE_CENTS = 1; ONE_DOLLAR = 2; TWENTY_DOLLARS = 3; NINETEY_EIGHT_CENTS = 4; DEPRECATED_NINETY_SEVEN_CENTS = 5; TEN_DOLLARS_PER_MONTH = 6; PORTUGAL_NAT…

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Re: Apple agrees to settle potential class action suit by U.S. developers

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> Apple will offer more price points for apps. Today there are less than 100, but the company is committing to increase that to more than 500 options. I really hope they implemented this as an enum, so someone has to wade through: enum PricePoint { UNKNOWN = 0; NINTEY_NINE_CENTS = 1; ONE_DOLLAR = 2; TWENTY_DOLLARS = 3; NINETEY_EIGHT_CENTS = 4; DEPRECATED_NINETY_SEVEN_CENTS = 5; TEN_DOLLARS_PER_MONTH = 6; PORTUGAL_NAT…

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