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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by emkoemko »

xtian wrote: post #189
emkoemko wrote: post #148

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what on earth? why can't Tibet be free? why must to belong to west Taiwan or India? and why can't west Taiwan just let it be autonomous region under west Taiwan?

You mean the Tibet Autonomous Region? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Autonomous_Region

au·ton·o·mous

(of a country or region) having the freedom to govern itself or control its own affairs.

in what way is what West Taiwan is doing, is freedom to govern itself or control its own affairs? they still have the child the West Taiwan state kidnapped, people still live in exile.

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Post by usaar333 »

da_chicken wrote: post #159
usaar333 wrote: post #89

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> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

Being a minority is a description of political power as much as sheer demographic statistics. There are cases where minorities are the majority, too. Women make up 51% of the US population, but in virtually every other sense they are a minority. In South Africa during apartheid, the black population could be described as a minority in spite of their actual demographic proportions (over 75%).

True, but that's a very different definition. Also, IMO, a bit of a confused one that leads to confusion.

e.g. apartheid is often referred to as "white minority rule" - that is the minority oppressing the majority.

Similarly, this gets a little subjective. It's not clear to me in modern liberal democracies that women are a minority politically, because they do in fact have the ability to set policy equally to men (even if they happen to be less present in the political ranks)

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Post by justicezyx »

coupdejarnac wrote: post #138
justicezyx wrote: post #86

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*Let me shed some light on the CCP's propaganda, and explain a bit why your statements might meet a deaf ear.* I present this to showcase the rationale behind many pro-China netizens living in China (both ethnic Chinese and non-Chinese). Note that I could not give detailed references, because I am not a professional political scientists or historian, and I do not keep such records. Hopefully it opens a window for mor…

I wonder what historical map will be unearthed next. China really has a knack for producing historical documents when it suits them.

That's what you get by continuing a civilization for 2000+ years without significant cultural gap. But let's hope we soon can start colonizing Mars, I just see no outlet for this earth to avoid a nuclear war given the situation.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by xtian »

emkoemko wrote: post #201
xtian wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the Tibet Autonomous Region? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Autonomous_Region

au·ton·o·mous (of a country or region) having the freedom to govern itself or control its own affairs. in what way is what West Taiwan is doing, is freedom to govern itself or control its own affairs? they still have the child the West Taiwan state kidnapped, people still live in exile.

Right. From Wikipedia: "under Chinese law an autonomous region has more legislative rights, such as the right to 'formulate self-government regulations and other separate regulations.'"

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by coupdejarnac »

justicezyx wrote: post #203
coupdejarnac wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what historical map will be unearthed next. China really has a knack for producing historical documents when it suits them.

That's what you get by continuing a civilization for 2000+ years without significant cultural gap. But let's hope we soon can start colonizing Mars, I just see no outlet for this earth to avoid a nuclear war given the situation.

Lots of places have had 2000 years of continuous civilization that don't keep finding maps that serve as a pretext for expansion.

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Post by mapgrep »

dang wrote: post #180
stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

Please don't break the site guidelines like this. The boring null hypothesis—that people simply have different backgrounds and views on a large internet forum—is more than enough to explain what goes on in these threads. Cheaply labelling others "bots" because you have a different background and view from them is poison to community and therefore not allowed here. As the guidelines say, if you're worried about abuse,…

You are wrong dang. Why is this 100% simple factual post citing an internationally very prominent Chinese government official with an nytimes link -2?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28319070

This post referring to the internationally condemned repression in xinjiang with an Atlantic link is also bizarrely downvoted

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28318465

Another:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28318430

I’m also pretty disturbed that you seem to be implying reasonable people can disagree about Chinas borderline genocidal campaigns in Xinjiang and Tibet. At this point the evidence is simply overwhelming. I urge you to research this issue.

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Post by mapgrep »

neverywhere wrote: post #12

China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

It’s worse than birth control. There are concentration camps in xinjiang. Called “re-education” or “vocational training.” There are many places to begin educating yourself on this (not directed at the person I’m replying to, but to the downvoters). You can start here if you like. Hrw is human rights watch. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-br...

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by queuebert »

jupp0r wrote: post #70
spoonjim wrote: post #37

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Tibet is a brutal place to live, short of forcing people there I doubt they will get a lot of takers.

So is Phoenix, for example.

Or Vegas, back in the day.

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Post by kat »

emkoemko wrote: post #200
kat wrote: post #175

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I didn't intend this to be an argument FOR forced medical procedures. I think forced medical procedures of any type are wrong! I wanted to add a data point that forced birth control happens in Canada. Forced birth control is not something limited to the CPP handbook.

but you agree it should not happen or are you saying because it happens in Canada, we should be fine with it in happening in West Taiwan? whats your opinion on forced organ harvesting? and slave labour ? i mean slavery did happen in the past and now most places ban it but since it did happen its fine for West Taiwan to do it? or Libya? i just don't get the argument that because X happened in X place, people from X pl…

I don't agree with forced medical procedures at all. I think the world should be upset with Canada, with CPP, and all the other cultures who are doing it. I agree, regardless of your cultural background, you have every right to be upset with genocide/racisim/terrible thing in another country and in your home country.

I don't want to tamper anyone's disgust. I would like to add that it happens in my home country and it breaks my heart.

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Post by justicezyx »

coupdejarnac wrote: post #205
justicezyx wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what you get by continuing a civilization for 2000+ years without significant cultural gap. But let's hope we soon can start colonizing Mars, I just see no outlet for this earth to avoid a nuclear war given the situation.

Lots of places have had 2000 years of continuous civilization that don't keep finding maps that serve as a pretext for expansion.

I was just joking...

HN now is just a conflicting bickering online forum... And most of all, information sharing are no longer appreciated here...

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