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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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post #58

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Tibet is a threat to China, since it's where the rivers start. Tibet under India's control is a doomsday scenario for chinese sovereignty

Seems a bit silly to worry about the water supply when both sides have nukes.

yeah, just drink the enriched uranium.... ~_~

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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post #121

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> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

Tibet was a sovereign country foe hundreds of years until it was invaded. It is currently occupied against its will. If someone believes Tibet to still be an occupied country rather than a part of China, it wouldn't be accurate to call Tibetans a minority.

Someone else in the thread has already made the comparison to native Americans but I'll paraphrase your comment in light of that:

The Native Americans were sovereign countries for hundreds of years until they were invaded. Their land is currently occupied against their will. If someone believes Native American land to still be an occupied country rather than a part of United States it wouldn't be accurate to call native Americans a minority.

The timing matches too: the Chinese ended Tibetan independence in around 1720, around the same time European settlers conquered Native Americans.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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post #65

Tibetans live in many parts of China outside of Tibet, including southern Gansu and Qinghai (historically known as Amdo, see https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wiki/aboutthl/An%20Overview%... ). Northern and western Sichuan province also had large populations of Tibetan people living in remote areas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngawa_Tibetan_and_Qiang_Autono... ), sometimes near temples such as Langmusi on the Sichua…

Pacifying... the Buddhists? I thought Buddhism is a pacifist religion?

Christianity is also a pacifist religion, but that never stopped anyone.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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A reminder of how great life was for Tibetans under the feudal, theocratic serfdom of the lamas [1]. [1] “In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned…

As I believe you know, single-purpose accounts are not allowed on HN and certainly not for political/national flamewar. I've banned this account.

I understand the frustrations of trying to represent a minority/contrarian view in a large internet forum. But you can't do it this way. It breaks the site guidelines and it only feeds the cheap and lazy fantasies ("bots, spies, and astroturfers") that internet users indulge in when they see things they don't like on divisive topics.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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post #184

A reminder of how great life was for Tibetans under the feudal, theocratic serfdom of the lamas [1]. [1] “In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned…

As I believe you know, single-purpose accounts are not allowed on HN and certainly not for political/national flamewar. I've banned this account. I understand the frustrations of trying to represent a minority/contrarian view in a large internet forum. But you can't do it this way. It breaks the site guidelines and it only feeds the cheap and lazy fantasies ("bots, spies, and astroturfers") that internet users indulg…

Commenting with verifiable information on life in Tibet pre Chinese annexation is a bannable offense?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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post #168

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Kinda sorta. The more reasonable explanation is they have an effective domestic propaganda apparatus to shape domestic atttudes and a large diaspora that's well represented in tech. It can take quite some time for those attitudes to mellow. Add to that Westerners of various stripes that get defensive when foreign imperialism is discussed. No need for some kind of government run downvote ring.

I think the more reasonable explanation is it's a combination of both. What I described is pretty much a standard, expected, and elementary capability of any intelligence apparatus in the modern world these days. It doesn't even veer into conspiracy-anything. There's documents that detail precisely how some of these units work, Western or otherwise. That said, if you're entirely correct, it's admittedly a very sad re…

I know they have the capability, I'm just skeptical use it on HN.

I would think they'd focus on places with more reach (e.g. Twitter, Facebook, maybe Reddit) and places were they could have more control (e.g. fake blogs, fake think tanks, websites that peddle conspiracy theories).

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

#188
post #119

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Expected. Threads like these turn into a wasteland of downvotes for a reason. China is a superpower. Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare. Some of these units deal with controlling discourse and sentiment. HN is a fairly prominent public forum within the tech industry. China wants global influence, particular in the technology sector. It's reasonable to assume they probably have some fairly clever…

The USA is a superpower. Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare. Some of these units deal with controlling discourse and sentiment. HN is a fairly prominent public forum within the tech industry. The USA wants global influence, particular in the technology sector. It's reasonable to assume they probably have some fairly clever downvote rings here that are well hidden.

Mad-libs substitution responses are annoying wastes of everyone's time. They are also highly likely to venture into false equivalency territory.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Really sad to see Tibet under CCP control. It would be much preferable if the region were an autonomous province of India, with whom Tibet has cultural affinity. Note that the real Dalai Lama has had to live in exile for decades in India, while seeing his people get slowly indoctrinated by the Chinese government via various education programs and such ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama ). The word peop…

what on earth? why can't Tibet be free? why must to belong to west Taiwan or India? and why can't west Taiwan just let it be autonomous region under west Taiwan?

You mean the Tibet Autonomous Region? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Autonomous_Region

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) > Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf argued in the chapter "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy" that the Germans needed Lebensraum in the East and described it as a "historic destiny" which would properly nurture the future generations of Germans > [...] was to be carried out through a rapidly enforced process of Gleichschaltung (synchronization). The ultimate intent of thi…

I don't get why this is downvoted, because it succinctly summarizes what the Nazis did (having studied part of the phenomenon - Gleichschaltung - in depth).

It's a tendentious, provocative and clichéd claim followed by a couple of Wikipedia quotes. There are many valid criticisms of Chinese actions and objectives in Tibet, but describing it as "exactly the same" as the Nazi approach to lebensraum which was most notable for involving the systematic extermination of the residents is insulting to the intelligence of the average HN reader as well as being likely to attract the ire of Chinese people participating on these forums.
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