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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by pavlov »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #141
hosh wrote: post #35

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It gets even more complex when you look at the history. The Yuan dynasty were ruled by the Mongolians. The Mongolians were devout Buddhists and revered the Tibetan Buddhists. The search for reincarnated Tulkas by the Tibetan Buddhists would extend into the Mongolian regions. The imperial family gave a lot of autonomy to Tibet. The last Imperial dynasty, Qing, was ruled by Manchurians. The Manchurians were a foreign,…

Just imagine if woke people invented a time machine. How would they figure out who's the oppressed that deserves to be saved?

If HN had a mute words feature, "woke" would be a good candidate because this word is exclusively used as a boring strawman.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by thereare5lights »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation.

Native Hawaiians: Am I a joke to you?

Native Americans: First time?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by Animats »

curation wrote: post #123
swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #102

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It's easy to be motivated by plunder and prestige, back when it was possible.

A main reason why so many in the West have taken part in the protests against China is ideological: Tibetan Buddhism, deftly spun by the Dalai Lama, is a major point of reference of the New Age hedonist spirituality which is becoming the predominant form of ideology today. Our fascination with Tibet makes it into a mythic place upon which we project our dreams. When people mourn the loss of the authentic Tibetan way…

"Before 1950 Tibet was no Shangri-la, but a country of harsh feudalism, poverty (life expectancy was barely 30), corruption and civil wars (the last, between two monastic factions, was in 1948 when the Red Army was already knocking at the door). Fearing social unrest and disintegration, the ruling elite prohibited any development of industry, so all metal had to be imported from India."

"It seems the Chinese Communists finally learned the lesson: what is the oppressive power of secret police, camps and Red Guards destroying ancient monuments, compared to the power of unbridled capitalism to undermine all traditional social relations?"

China still struggles with integrating their minority populations. For the last half century, the CCP has been trying to convert the Cantonese-speaking regions to Mandarin, without much success.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by thereare5lights »

smt88 wrote: post #121
usaar333 wrote: post #89

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> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

Tibet was a sovereign country foe hundreds of years until it was invaded. It is currently occupied against its will. If someone believes Tibet to still be an occupied country rather than a part of China, it wouldn't be accurate to call Tibetans a minority.

> Tibet was a sovereign country foe hundreds of years until it was invaded. It is currently occupied against its will.

So's Hawaii, but you don't see anyone giving a damn about that.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by kat »

emkoemko wrote: post #157
kat wrote: post #77

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There are increasing number of reports in Canada that Indigenous Women were forcefully sterilized in the last few decades. Women who gave birth in hospitals had their tubes tied after giving birth. I agree this is a one of "the worst forms of racisim/ethonicide/genocide". And yes, I dont understand why more (white) Canadians are not aware of this, and why there has not been a larger out cry over this. https://www.cbc…

yea exactly thing is most people don't want that to happen today.. in Canada.. and the government also.. nor do we want it to happen in west Taiwan... i don't get these peoples arguments that because other people did evil crap west Taiwan should be allowed to do it as well? is that what your trying to say?

I didn't intend this to be an argument FOR forced medical procedures. I think forced medical procedures of any type are wrong!

I wanted to add a data point that forced birth control happens in Canada. Forced birth control is not something limited to the CPP handbook.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by almondplat »

curation wrote: post #123
swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to be motivated by plunder and prestige, back when it was possible.

A main reason why so many in the West have taken part in the protests against China is ideological: Tibetan Buddhism, deftly spun by the Dalai Lama, is a major point of reference of the New Age hedonist spirituality which is becoming the predominant form of ideology today. Our fascination with Tibet makes it into a mythic place upon which we project our dreams. When people mourn the loss of the authentic Tibetan way…

What sort of conclusion is one supposed to draw from this kind of unilateral declaration that X doesn’t Really Care about Y issue, and X’s true motivation is actually an unfalsifiably subconscious Selfish Desire?

Seems like pure rhetoric with no substance. A way to dismiss all arguments made by one side without actually addressing them, by declaring it all camouflage for something that sounds sufficiently shameful/illicit.

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #87
afandian wrote: post #61

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Does anyone think what was done to Native Americans was just?

Not “just” but I suspect most people in the world are indifferent to a more technologically advanced civilization displacing a less technologically advanced one. It’s how most of the world got to be the way it is and most people don’t really think about it too much. In Bangladesh we have the hill people, which we have treated similarly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chittagong_Hill_Tracts_conflic... . People are pret…

I'm assuming it didn't help that Raja Tridiv Roy supported Pakistan in 1971.

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

ilamont wrote: post #65

Tibetans live in many parts of China outside of Tibet, including southern Gansu and Qinghai (historically known as Amdo, see https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wiki/aboutthl/An%20Overview%... ). Northern and western Sichuan province also had large populations of Tibetan people living in remote areas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngawa_Tibetan_and_Qiang_Autono... ), sometimes near temples such as Langmusi on the Sichua…

Pacifying... the Buddhists? I thought Buddhism is a pacifist religion?

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Post by csomar »

stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

I don't think it is safe. My mother has been getting LOTS of ads on its Facebook from Chinese state propaganda.

Here is one of them: https://i.imgur.com/iSqZTEq.png

It's in French, the top translates to "Sponsored - Media controlled by the state of China". Though, maybe they are not that careful with their budget as they should have had French/Arabic translations.

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Post by dang »

stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

Please don't break the site guidelines like this. The boring null hypothesis—that people simply have different backgrounds and views on a large internet forum—is more than enough to explain what goes on in these threads. Cheaply labelling others "bots" because you have a different background and view from them is poison to community and therefore not allowed here.

As the guidelines say, if you're worried about abuse, you should be emailing us so we can look into it.

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